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2021 tOSU Recruiting Discussion

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BB73 said:
Ah, no love for our committed punter. And a decade ago, that was the most important play ...
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LitlBuck said:
so you see a flip coming sooner or later I had to look him up because I do not know much about recruiting
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They need another OT in the class, and given the uncertainty surrounding visits I’m not sure any national OT’s are going to be able to make the connection required to end up here. Stud has been in contact with Rankl, who trains with Munford and comes from the same High School (Massillon).
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
From the Tristan Leigh thread:
Didn't we lose a certain highly ranked OT to them because of their favorable depth chart?
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I'm a long way from an expert on this stuff, but if I recall correctly the OT in question came out later and said it was a business decision. My impression (I may be mistaken) is that Bama sold him on their superior production of NFL talent on the offensive line. After hearing that it seemed that the stuff about the depth charts seemed to have been Buckeye-insider spin.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
From the Tristan Leigh thread:
Didn't we lose a certain highly ranked OT to them because of their favorable depth chart?
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That was part of it, as was the development of the position. Today they’re getting the Brockermeyer twins (#1 OT and #1 C) and are expected to land Ferguson (#2 G) in the coming weeks.

That gives them the #1 and #5 tackles, #2 guard and #1 center. On top of that, they are in contention to land Mims who is the #2 tackle in the nation (though Georgia is probably the leader there).

I don’t hate Stud, but his OT recruiting leaves a little to be desired. Thankfully PJ was an Ohio kid who Day reeled back in last year, or we’d be in a really bad spot at the position. For as good as he’s been recruiting interior OL, he just doesn’t attract blue chip OT’s unless they’re kids from in-state.

There’s still time with Leigh (though a visit is going to have to happen), Jackson could definitely kick out to OT, and Christman could possibly play RT...so all isn’t lost. He really needs to find a sure-fire OT in this class or the next though.
 
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HotMic said:
That was part of it, as was the development of the position. Today they’re getting the Brockermeyer twins (#1 OT and #1 C) and are expected to land Ferguson (#2 G) in the coming weeks.

That gives them the #1 and #5 tackles, #2 guard and #1 center. On top of that, they are in contention to land Mims who is the #2 tackle in the nation (though Georgia is probably the leader there).

I don’t hate Stud, but his OT recruiting leaves a little to be desired. Thankfully PJ was an Ohio kid who Day reeled back in last year, or we’d be in a really bad spot at the position. For as good as he’s been recruiting interior OL, he just doesn’t attract blue chip OT’s unless they’re kids from in-state.

There’s still time with Leigh (though a visit is going to have to happen), Jackson could definitely kick out to OT, and Christman could possibly play RT...so all isn’t lost. He really needs to find a sure-fire OT in this class or the next though.
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is it a problem with Stud’s recruiting or his targets? Is it lack of NFL OL?
 
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AuTX Buckeye said:
is it a problem with Stud’s recruiting or his targets? Is it lack of NFL OL?
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It’s probably a mix of all of those.

I wouldn’t say lack of NFL OL, because they’ve had a lot of success on the interior in recruiting, on the field and in the draft there.

It’s more so the lack of NFL OT’s. At the tackle position Jamarco was drafted in the fifth round and has stared 3 games, Jordan was drafted in the fourth round and started 9 games at guard, and Prince was drafted in the sixth round and started 2 games.

That doesn’t exactly inspire confidence for a High School kid looking to make it to the NFL.
 
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HotMic said:
It’s probably a mix of all of those.

I wouldn’t say lack of NFL OL, because they’ve had a lot of success on the interior in recruiting, on the field and in the draft there.

It’s more so the lack of NFL OT’s. At the tackle position Jamarco was drafted in the fifth round and has stared 3 games, Jordan was drafted in the fourth round and started 9 games at guard, and Prince was drafted in the sixth round and started 2 games.

That doesn’t exactly inspire confidence for a High School kid looking to make it to the NFL.
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Gotcha - last question: Is it that Bama has recruited better and had a hire base from which to develop? I dont know outside of Pairs and NPF I dont think we’ve had many highly rated OT
 
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HotMic said:
It’s probably a mix of all of those.

I wouldn’t say lack of NFL OL, because they’ve had a lot of success on the interior in recruiting, on the field and in the draft there.

It’s more so the lack of NFL OT’s. At the tackle position Jamarco was drafted in the fifth round and has stared 3 games, Jordan was drafted in the fourth round and started 9 games at guard, and Prince was drafted in the sixth round and started 2 games.

That doesn’t exactly inspire confidence for a High School kid looking to make it to the NFL.
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Decker was a first rounder was he not? I didn't really follow his career that close but I thought he was successful?
 
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AuTX Buckeye said:
Gotcha - last question: Is it that Bama has recruited better and had a hire base from which to develop? I dont know outside of Pairs and NPF I dont think we’ve had many highly rated OT
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Since Stud’s 1st year (2016):

Alabama

2016:
5* Jonah Williams (#2 OT)
4* Charles Baldwin (#1 JC OT)
4* Scott Lashley (#20 OT)
-All from outside Alabama

2017:
5* Alex Letherwood (#1 OT)
4* Jedrick Wills (#7 OT)
4* Elliot Baker (#1 JC OT)
-All from outside Alabama

2018:
No OT’s

2019:
5* Evan Neal (#1 OT)
4* Pierce Quick (#7 OT)
4* Amari Knight (#10 OT)
4* Landon Dickerson (Transferred from FSU)
-Two from outside Alabama

2020:
4* Javion Cohen (#25 OT)
3* Damieon George (#31 OT)
-One from outside Alabama

2021:
5* Tommy Brockermeyer (#1 OT)
5* JC Latham (#5 OT)
-All from outside Alabama

Ohio State-

2016:
4* Michael Jordan (#14 OT)
4* Malcolm Pridgeon (#3 JC OT)
3* Gavin Cupp (#42 OT)
-Two from outside Ohio

2017:
4* Thayer Munford (#28 OT)
-None from outside Ohio

2018:
5* Nicholas Petit-Frere (#1 OT)
4* Max Wray (#9 OT)
-All from outside Ohio

2019:
4* Ryan Jacoby (#23 OT)
3* Dawand Jones (#86 OT)
-One from outside Ohio

2020:
5* Paris Johnson (#1 OT)
3* Grant Toutant (#35 OT)
3* Trey Leroux (#91 OT)
-Two from outside Ohio

2021:
No OT’s


Working through the averages:

Alabama
-4.29 star average
-11 from outside the state (14 total)

Ohio State
-3.81 star average
-7 from outside the state (11 total)

So Alabama is recruiting not only at a higher volume, but also a higher quality. All the while they’re doing so at a more national level.

In my personal opinion, a program like Ohio State shouldn’t have a five year average under 4 stars at any position. 3.81 isn’t good for competition at the position and getting the best out of the guys who do win the starting spots.
 
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HotMic said:
Since Stud’s 1st year (2016):

Alabama

2016:
5* Jonah Williams (#2 OT)
4* Charles Baldwin (#1 JC OT)
4* Scott Lashley (#20 OT)
-All from outside Alabama

2017:
5* Alex Letherwood (#1 OT)
4* Jedrick Wills (#7 OT)
4* Elliot Baker (#1 JC OT)
-All from outside Alabama

2018:
No OT’s

2019:
5* Evan Neal (#1 OT)
4* Pierce Quick (#7 OT)
4* Amari Knight (#10 OT)
4* Landon Dickerson (Transferred from FSU)
-Two from outside Alabama

2020:
4* Javion Cohen (#25 OT)
3* Damieon George (#31 OT)
-One from outside Alabama

2021:
5* Tommy Brockermeyer (#1 OT)
5* JC Latham (#5 OT)
-All from outside Alabama

Ohio State-

2016:
4* Michael Jordan (#14 OT)
4* Malcolm Pridgeon (#3 JC OT)
3* Gavin Cupp (#42 OT)
-Two from outside Ohio

2017:
4* Thayer Munford (#28 OT)
-None from outside Ohio

2018:
5* Nicholas Petit-Frere (#1 OT)
4* Max Wray (#9 OT)
-All from outside Ohio

2019:
4* Ryan Jacoby (#23 OT)
3* Dawand Jones (#86 OT)
-One from outside Ohio

2020:
5* Paris Johnson (#1 OT)
3* Grant Toutant (#35 OT)
3* Trey Leroux (#91 OT)
-Two from outside Ohio

2021:
No OT’s


Working through the averages:

Alabama
-4.29 star average
-11 from outside the state (14 total)

Ohio State
-3.81 star average
-7 from outside the state (11 total)

So Alabama is recruiting not only at a higher volume, but also a higher quality. All the while they’re doing so at a more national level.

In my personal opinion, a program like Ohio State shouldn’t have a five year average under 4 stars at any position. 3.81 isn’t good for competition at the position and getting the best out of the guys who do win the starting spots.
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BPA thanks for the research, appreciate the insight... it might be fun (off topic and a relative term :)) to compare Wisky, Iowa & Bama since they they are both SEEM to be producing NFL linemen as an amazing clip...
 
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