2020 tOSU Recruiting Discussion

[LordJeffBuck]

Disappointing that we aren't as much of a player for him as I thought.

Maybe I'm being too pessimistic here. The kid does seem genuinely interested in Ohio State.

I posted a podcast with Clark in his thread: LINK

 

[ShowMeBuck]

If you want to say that Ohio State has a legit shot at Phillips because we're in his top five and he's (allegedly) making an official visit, then be my guest.

But using that argument, you'd also have to say that Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and Tennessee have a legit shot at Paris Johnson.

Not a good comparison at all because Paris has been a verbal to tOSU all along despite the coaching change when a hall of fame, rock star coach retires.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

If you want to say that Ohio State has a legit shot at Phillips because we're in his top five and he's (allegedly) making an official visit, then be my guest.

But using that argument, you'd also have to say that Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and Tennessee have a legit shot at Paris Johnson.

Marc Givler says OSU leads for Phillips.

 

[ShowMeBuck]

If we hang on to the 4 OL guys currently in the class and add Carmody and Atteberry I will be very happy with that OL haul all things considered.

 

[ScriptOhio]

 

[LordJeffBuck]

But papering over the holes every offseason with a grad transfer isn’t a viable long-term strategy. After all, we’ve seen and heard constantly from players and coaches how difficult it is to fully understand the OSU offense in a player’s first season.

For years, most major programs have limited their classes to just one quarterback signee.... But the “one quarterback every year” model may simply not be viable in the new world of the Quarterback Transfer Perpetual Motion Machine.

Perhaps it’s time to start thinking about taking a second quarterback every couple years. By all means, continue chasing the national stars like 2020 commit Jack Miller from Arizona or 2021 recruit Kyle McCord from Pennsylvania.

But think about adding in an Ohio quarterback every other year. There may be years when there isn’t a good fit, but the state produces enough football talent that they should be able to make a run at a capable QB every couple seasons.

At this point, just steal a solid 3-star from a MAC program every couple years, with the promise of an OSU education, the chance to be a Buckeye, and potentially compete for playing time in a couple years.

An in-state player is more likely to stick around than a guy from 1,000 miles away, simply because distance from home is one less thing to lose him over, and a kid who grew up dreaming of playing in the Horseshoe may be more likely to spend an extra year or two to make that dream come true.

 

[bukIpower]

Would love to be in the meeting room to hear them discuss their strategy going forward. There has to be a different approach tried because we can't afford to go after the best QB every year.

It would be interesting to see which prospect deserves the "elite" year QB. For example they'll have to compare 2021 and 2022 to decide which class has the elite guy, and then make the opposing year the depth year lol.

All based on the model some have suggested.

 

[pnuts34]

Would love to be in the meeting room to hear them discuss their strategy going forward. There has to be a different approach tried because we can't afford to go after the best QB every year.

It would be interesting to see which prospect deserves the "elite" year QB. For example they'll have to compare 2021 and 2022 to decide which class has the elite guy, and then make the opposing year the depth year lol.

All based on the model some have suggested.

It’s also going to be interesting if a team like OSU whiffs on the elite guy and the local becomes a better fit and leader based on intangibles

 

[Jaxbuck]

Would love to be in the meeting room to hear them discuss their strategy going forward. There has to be a different approach tried because we can't afford to go after the best QB every year.

It would be interesting to see which prospect deserves the "elite" year QB. For example they'll have to compare 2021 and 2022 to decide which class has the elite guy, and then make the opposing year the depth year lol.

All based on the model some have suggested.

That model of a "filler" type every other year makes sense but the more I think of it the more I think you'd want to add them to an elite guy.

I just can't wrap my head around seeing a day when a school like OSU passes on an elite prep QB because they took one the year before.

Get the best guys in and manage the chaos is more than likely what we'll see.

 

[CFPBuckeye]

That model of a "filler" type every other year makes sense but the more I think of it the more I think you'd want to add them to an elite guy.

I just can't wrap my head around seeing a day when a school like OSU passes on an elite prep QB because they took one the year before.

Get the best guys in and manage the chaos is more than likely what we'll see.

Yes

 

[inliner311]

That model of a "filler" type every other year makes sense but the more I think of it the more I think you'd want to add them to an elite guy.

I just can't wrap my head around seeing a day when a school like OSU passes on an elite prep QB because they took one the year before.

Get the best guys in and manage the chaos is more than likely what we'll see.

I think Day will just have to expand his QB recruiting and have backup plans for more scenarios now. I've been looking at the 247sports rankings of guys that are left for this year. Isaiah Murphy is a 2 star dual threat QB with one offer. He is from the Columbus area and is 6'4 200lbs. There is an article where he says he runs a 4.6 40 yard dash.

To me that sounds like a Kenny Guiton type that we should go after at this point to try to rebuild the depth. Maybe Day can mold this kid into a long term backup. He probably will never compete for the starting job but a QB that can run and give just enough in the passing game is enough to keep the wheels from falling off in a worst case scenario situation.

https://247sports.com/Player/Isaiah-Murphy-46050855/

 

[LordJeffBuck]

That model of a "filler" type every other year makes sense but the more I think of it the more I think you'd want to add them to an elite guy.

I just can't wrap my head around seeing a day when a school like OSU passes on an elite prep QB because they took one the year before.

Get the best guys in and manage the chaos is more than likely what we'll see.

20+ years ago, teams never gave scholarships to kickers, punters, and long snappers. Now it's the norm to do so.

I predict that the same thing will happen with back-up quarterbacks. Every other year, elite teams will sign a 3-star kid (EDIT: as the 2nd QB in the class) with the understanding that he's there for the long haul as the #3 quarterback. And if he develops into something more than a clipboard holder, then it's a win-win situation.

 

[inliner311]

20+ years ago, teams never gave scholarships to kickers, punters, and long snappers. Now it's the norm to do so.

I predict that the same thing will happen with back-up quarterbacks. Every other year, elite teams will sign a 3-star kid (EDIT: as the 2nd QB in the class) with the understanding that he's there for the long haul as the #3 quarterback. And if he develops into something more than a clipboard holder, then it's a win-win situation.

If they do go to this approach, wouldn't it make more sense to go after the lower star QB that is either a dual threat or in the athlete category. That way you aren't burning a scholarship to a clip board player but a player that can potentially play another position or on special teams.

I think for alot of these QBs it's the lack of playing time and reps that drives them off. Can getting reps and into game action with certain packages keep the backup QBs happy for longer? Recruiting pro style QBs limits what else you can do with them as they wait for their turn.

 

[bucknut502]

How about since Ohio State doesn’t use a TE, they stop giving scholarships to that position and sign more QB’s? 4 wide and an RB. Short yardage, bring in an extra OL or two.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

If they do go to this approach, wouldn't it make more sense to go after the lower star QB that is either a dual threat or in the athlete category. That way you aren't burning a scholarship to a clip board player but a player that can potentially play another position or on special teams.

Possibly, but if you sign a 3-star high school quarterback and turn him into a linebacker, and he develops into an All American caliber player (Darron Lee), then it kind of defeats the purpose. Whoever you sign as your "clipboard holders" have to spend the majority of their time in the quarterback room. Ideally what you are looking for are two or three Kenny Guitons, good soldiers with enough talent to win a few games in an emergency, but not enough talent to get grandiose ideas about starting.

How about since Ohio State doesn’t use a TE, they stop giving scholarships to that position and sign more QB’s? 4 wide and an RB. Short yardage, bring in an extra OL or two.

Back in the 1990s, teams didn't "waste" scholarships in kickers, punter, and long snappers - they were all walk-ons. Then teams (Florida State) began losing big games (and national championships) on missed chip shot field goals and shanked punts, so now teams generally allocate 3 to 5 scholarships to kicking specialists at all times. Of course, this means 3 to 5 less scholarships for QB, RB, WR, TE, OL, DL, LB, and DB, which definitely impacts recruiting and roster management.

Right now, elite teams want to carry 4 scholarship QBs at all times. Going forward, I believe that they'll have to carry 6 or 7, so that they're not stuck in Ohio State's current situation (one scholarship player, two walk-ons). That will mean 2 or 3 less scholarships for the other positions, which will further impact recruiting and roster management.

In Ohio State's case, maybe eliminating TE scholarships is the way to go. Tight end is kind of an outmoded position in most modern offenses (including Ohio State's). Taller WRs can be used as "flex" tight ends for mismatches in the passing game, and OL can be used as extra blockers in short-yardage situations.