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tOSU Recruiting Discussion

Say what you will about kindas and mights... ain't nobody put that out in the twitters without knowing exactly what they are doing. Especially a coach.

If I'm following how twitter works (I don't use it), he hasn't been active on twitter since he re-tweeted one of his players at OU on Nov 1st. You mean to tell me that he decided to finally get on twitter to use his son's graduating college as an opportunity to stir things up and hint at where his son might be heading with his football path? Rather than him just being proud as f that his son graduated college? gtfo with the kindas and maybes. I guarantee the dude respects the hell out of Urban, he's not taking it there.
 
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If I'm following how twitter works (I don't use it), he hasn't been active on twitter since he re-tweeted one of his players at OU on Nov 1st. You mean to tell me that he decided to finally get on twitter to use his son's graduating college as an opportunity to stir things up and hint at where his son might be heading with his football path? Rather than him just being proud as f that his son graduated college? gtfo with the kindas and maybes. I guarantee the dude respects the hell out of Urban, he's not taking it there.

I think your point is a good one, and frankly it goes in both directions. For someone to not be active in the twitters and then to make a vague reference like that, is quite a statement. And I don't think for a second that even if the statement is a nod to transferring, that it is in any way disrespectful to Urban or the program. That said, there's plenty of other things that could have been said, and there's also the option of not saying anything at all, beyond the "Proud of Joe" statement. The only thing that I know for sure is that you and I will likely never know, right?

Personally, I suspect that the decision has been made a long time ago. We've gotten the (expected) Urban speak that nobody's "separated themselves" as a very convenient path for JB to stay if he wants to -- all without losing face. I'm sure that Urban would love to keep both of them around, for obvious reasons, and he's making that option as easy on both players as he possibly can. It's a crappy situation for everyone involved, and whatever JB decides to do, I'm sure that he'll have overwhelming support. Should that be a transfer, I'm also sure that support will come with being missed by the team and the rest of the program.
 
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...This is not the 70’s. Every college football game is on TV somewhere...to think that [Burrow's] chances of making the NFL are inherently less at UC I would disagree based on the fact that many NFL starters have proven if you got the game the NFL will find you.
Weird perspective to have for a fan of a school that probably sells recruits on how many players they put in the league on [an annual] basis...
Pulled from the Joe Burrow thread to consider a general recruiting-related question.

What causes OSU (or USC, or LSU, etc) to get more draft picks, more early draft picks, more NFL careers, and more NFL starters than UC or 90% of college football? How important are the different causes?

Some obvious causes include:

(1) Recruiting - Talent in, talent out.
(2) Competition - It seems reasonable to expect, in many cases, that an elite player's abilities will be maximized if he's facing a higher level of competition in practice and in games.
(3) Coaching - The coaches at the premiere schools have been more successful than the coaches at the smaller schools. That's probably mostly due to recruiting, but may also be due to ability to maximize their players' abilities.
(4) Reputation and Prestige - A player's college may count a bit on draft day, although it seems safe to assume it doesn't count for anything afterward.

I ranked those in order from what I'd guess are most-to-least important, with Recruiting being the most important by a lot. Maybe it changes for different players - for example, a guy who is a really productive, solid football player, but won't have elite combine numbers, benefits a little more from the competition or prestige of an elite program.

All of the above ;tldr to say, I'd tend to agree with H&G - and maybe recruits shouldn't give a lot of priority to the question of which school puts the most players in the NFL.
 
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Why Ohio State cannot afford to build recruiting classes primarily with Ohio prospects

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Urban Meyer and his staff most go outside of Ohio to land top level talent for the Buckeyes.

Ohio State already has landed commitments from 4-star Ohio natives Cade Stover, Noah Potter and Ryan Jacoby in the 2019 recruiting class and coaches are still chasing several other in-state prospects. Five other Ohio natives have landed offers from the Buckeyes in the 2019 class — 5-star defensive end Zach Harrison, 4-star defensive tackle Jowon Briggs, 4-star guards Zeke Correll and Nolan Rumler (a Michigan commit) and 3-star tackle Jonathan Allen.

Since Urban Meyer’s arrival at Ohio State, the Buckeyes have relied much less on in-state talent than the Jim Tressel regime. It’s been a resounding success, as Meyer has clearly outperformed Tressel in recruiting and on the field by pulling in elite national talent and signing some of the nation’s best blue-chip prospects.

Though many Ohio natives would love to see Ohio State rely more on the state’s best high school football players, it’s not always a realistic proposal. Even high-level Ohio high school coaches like Nate Moore, coach of the legendary Massillon Tigers, understands Meyer and what he has accomplished.

“Those guys owe it to the state of Ohio and Ohio State University to recruit the best players that they can,” Moore told Land of 10. “If those players are players in the state of Ohio, well, then great. I’m sure that there’s nothing Ohio State’s coaches want more than to recruit Ohio players, but it has to make sense. At the end of the day, they’re going to be judged on wins and losses. That’s how the sport works.

“Ohio State is a national brand and they owe it to Ohio State to recruit nationally. Ohio still has great football players and we have some good ones here at Massillon. Hopefully those things work out, but it’s their job to find those top players and recruit them.”

Generally, that means that Ohio State has not leaned on the best Ohio prospects in recent years.

In the six full recruiting classes that Meyer has signed at Ohio State from 2013 to 2018, the Buckeyes have never taken more Ohio natives than they did in the 2015 class. Ohio State signed 13 recruits from its home state in that class, which also happened to be the lowest-ranked class of the Meyer era. It checked in at No. 7 in the 247Sports team recruiting rankings.

Entire article: https://www.landof10.com/ohio-state...ball-recruiting-commits-targets-ohio-recruits
 
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OHIO STATE WILL FACE ANOTHER NUMBERS CRUNCH IN 2019

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“They’ll figure it out. They have to.”

That’s my go-to response whenever I’m asked how Ohio State will navigate the current recruiting process while already facing tight scholarship numbers. And though it may seem cliche — in reality — the Buckeyes simply have no other choice.

The NCAA mandates that programs must be down to 85 scholarship players on their roster by the time the first day of classes or fall camp rolls around. And with just 10 seniors on this year’s scholarship grid, Ohio State will be well over the limit in 2019 if it signs another full recruiting class.

The Buckeyes already hold nine commitments this cycle, and have yet to land a quarterback or fully address concerns at wide receiver and along the offensive line. That means every new pledge following the next commitment will have to be met with an early departure for the National Football League, unforeseen transfer or medical hardship.
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Even if you operate under the assumption that talented juniors — or redshirt juniors — like running back Mike Weber, defensive end Nick Bosa, defensive tackle Dre’Mont Jones, cornerback Kendall Sheffield and safety Jordan Fuller will look to move on to the next level after this season, there’s still a double-digit gap between departures and expected newcomers. Those spots will have to be freed one way or another.

We’re not even going to begin to speculate which players could leave the program for other reasons, but balancing the current roster while addressing positional needs is just one reason why Ohio State’s coaching staff gets paid rather handsomely.

Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...tate-will-face-another-numbers-crunch-in-2019
 
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Why Ohio State cannot afford to build recruiting classes primarily with Ohio prospects

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Urban Meyer and his staff most go outside of Ohio to land top level talent for the Buckeyes.

Ohio State already has landed commitments from 4-star Ohio natives Cade Stover, Noah Potter and Ryan Jacoby in the 2019 recruiting class and coaches are still chasing several other in-state prospects. Five other Ohio natives have landed offers from the Buckeyes in the 2019 class — 5-star defensive end Zach Harrison, 4-star defensive tackle Jowon Briggs, 4-star guards Zeke Correll and Nolan Rumler (a Michigan commit) and 3-star tackle Jonathan Allen.

Since Urban Meyer’s arrival at Ohio State, the Buckeyes have relied much less on in-state talent than the Jim Tressel regime. It’s been a resounding success, as Meyer has clearly outperformed Tressel in recruiting and on the field by pulling in elite national talent and signing some of the nation’s best blue-chip prospects.

Though many Ohio natives would love to see Ohio State rely more on the state’s best high school football players, it’s not always a realistic proposal. Even high-level Ohio high school coaches like Nate Moore, coach of the legendary Massillon Tigers, understands Meyer and what he has accomplished.

“Those guys owe it to the state of Ohio and Ohio State University to recruit the best players that they can,” Moore told Land of 10. “If those players are players in the state of Ohio, well, then great. I’m sure that there’s nothing Ohio State’s coaches want more than to recruit Ohio players, but it has to make sense. At the end of the day, they’re going to be judged on wins and losses. That’s how the sport works.

“Ohio State is a national brand and they owe it to Ohio State to recruit nationally. Ohio still has great football players and we have some good ones here at Massillon. Hopefully those things work out, but it’s their job to find those top players and recruit them.”

Generally, that means that Ohio State has not leaned on the best Ohio prospects in recent years.

In the six full recruiting classes that Meyer has signed at Ohio State from 2013 to 2018, the Buckeyes have never taken more Ohio natives than they did in the 2015 class. Ohio State signed 13 recruits from its home state in that class, which also happened to be the lowest-ranked class of the Meyer era. It checked in at No. 7 in the 247Sports team recruiting rankings.

Entire article: https://www.landof10.com/ohio-state...ball-recruiting-commits-targets-ohio-recruits
I don't think any school not located in CA, TX, GA or FL could compete at a high level just recruiting kids from their home state. Especially teams located in the north, I think OSU would regress heavily if we recruited in the manner that Tressel did during his tenure(not taking anything away from him, but times have definitely changed). Urban came into the OSU coaching job like a whirlwind and forced other coaches' to step their games up recruiting nationally like never before
 
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I don't think any school not located in CA, TX, GA or FL could compete at a high level just recruiting kids from their home state. Especially teams located in the north, I think OSU would regress heavily if we recruited in the manner that Tressel did during his tenure(not taking anything away from him, but times have definitely changed). Urban came into the OSU coaching job like a whirlwind and forced other coaches' to step their games up recruiting nationally like never before

Woody rest his soul, we saw what OSU looked like as a regional power under Earl.

Love Earl and loved (the good parts of) those days but I don't want to go back there.
 
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Woody rest his soul, we saw what OSU looked like as a regional power under Earl.

Love Earl and loved (the good parts of) those days but I don't want to go back there.
Different days, I don't think we'll see any regional recruiting anymore with internet and satellite camps. When schools like Minnesota, UC, Marshall, Nebraska, etc can land kids from GA, FL, NC, VA, and other places that are nowhere near those schools geographically, then you know CFB has put an end to regional recruiting in essense
 
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SPRING FORECAST: AN UPDATED PROJECTION OF OHIO STATE'S 2019 RECRUITING CLASS

There’s exactly one week left in the Spring Evaluation Period, which means we’re now one quarter of the way through the current recruiting cycle.

A lot has changed in the three months since my colleague Andrew Ellis and I offered our way-too-early predictions on how Ohio State’s 2019 recruiting class would unfold.

At that time, the Buckeyes held just one commitment in West Virginia four-star offensive tackle Doug Nester, but have since added eight pledges in the months since — highlighted by Texas five-star wide receiver Garrett Wilson.

We both hit the nail on the head when it came to Wilson’s commitment. The same goes for Lexington four-star linebacker Cade Stover; Mentor four-star teammates Ryan Jacoby and Noah Potter; and New Jersey four-star safety “Rocket” Ronnie Hickman. I also had Indiana four-star running back Sampson James pegged to Ohio State, while everyone in the recruiting world was seemingly caught off guard by commitments from Georgia four-star running back Steele Chambers and Maryland three-star safety Bryson Shaw in mid-to-late April.

The Buckeyes have yet to land a quarterback or fully address concerns at wide receiver and along the offensive line, but we’re expecting to get a bit of clarity at those positions during the summer months. But with that said, it really does become a guessing game of sorts — especially with the staff yet to go all out for a signal caller this cycle.

So now with the calendar about to change and the staff set to welcome hundreds of prospects to campus for one-day camps in June, we’ve decided to give our predictions another shot. Who will fill out the rest of Ohio State’s Dynasty ’19 recruiting class? Let’s find out:

QUARTERBACK
ELLIS: Texas four-star Grant Gunnell

LIND: Gunnell

RUNNING BACK
ELLIS: Chambers, James

LIND: Chambers, James

Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...ojection-of-ohio-states-2019-recruiting-class
 
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SEVERAL 2019 OHIO PROSPECTS STILL WORTH WATCHING AS THEY LOOK TO EARN BUCKEYE OFFERS

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Ohio State's 2019 recruiting class is slowly coming together, and at this point the general thought is that the Buckeyes will look to add another 13-15 in addition to the nine they've already got in the fold.

Lexington's Cade Stover hopped on board one month ago to the day, and he's accompanied by two other in-state stars in the Mentor duo of Ryan Jacoby and Noah Potter. Five-star defensive end Zach Harrison continues to be the biggest name on Ohio State's board, and the Buckeyes are battling Penn State for the Lewis Center defender. Harrison will continue his official visits in June and a decision should come before the season starts.

This next month will be a big one on the trail. The camp circuit continues as prospects from around the country look to expand their offer lists. Ohio State's first one-day camp will be held on June 8th with two others to follow in the middle of the month. Further, official visits are permissible through the month of June, and the Buckeyes will have none bigger than for the aforementioned Harrison.
There have been plenty of twists and turns of late, and some fans may actually be questioning Ohio State's strategies; especially as it pertains to quarterback recruiting. Signing day is still eight months away, however, and there's still a full season of football for the staff to evaluate prospects and extend new offers.

Within the state of Ohio, there are several players to keep a close eye on. Don't be surprised if one – or more – of these three-star prospects earn offers over the summer or in the months to follow.

ERICK ALL • TIGHT END • FAIRFIELD • POS. RANK: 26 • NAT. RANK: 654
Ohio State's tight end recruiting has been one of the enigmas of the 2019 cycle. After signing Jeremy Ruckert last December, it's been tricky to keep up with the position, and at this point we aren't even 100 percent sure the Buckeyes will sign a tight end for the current class.

Arizona's Braydon Liebrock committed to Texas earlier this month, and he was one of the few known targets at the position. The Buckeyes don't appear to be in great shape with anyone else they've offered, so it wouldn't be a surprise if they were to look inside the state of Ohio.

Erick All checks in at 6-foot-4 and 225 pounds, and his recruitment has been blossoming of late. In the last three weeks, the Fairfield native has received offers from Wisconsin, Michigan, Florida State, and Notre Dame. The Irish have missed out on several top targets, and I'd look for them to prioritize All in the coming weeks and months.

As for the Buckeyes, if they're definitely looking for a tight end in this class, then it could be All or nothing at this point.

CONNOR BAZELAK • QUARTERBACK • DAYTON • POS. RANK: 22 • NAT. RANK: 660
If tight end recruiting has been a mystery, then it would be difficult to even categorize what's going on at quarterback. We've said it a thousand times, but the 2019 class just isn't very talented at the position. That makes things tricky for the Buckeyes since they really need to take one this cycle.

Grant Gunnell appears to be trending toward Arizona, but I don't think anyone can fully predict what will happen with the Houston native. Ohio State entered the Dwan Mathissweepstakes late in the process, and right now he seems pretty solid to Michigan State. Outside of attempting to flip a few prospects, the outlook isn't exactly promising.

Dayton's Connor Bazelak (Archbishop Alter) has been a hot topic of late on the 11W message boards, and the three-star is putting together a pretty impressive offer list. Georgia extended an offer a few weeks back, but many are questioning whether or not it's of the committable variety at this point. Missouri, Iowa, Purdue, and Kentucky have also thrown their hats into the ring.

At 6-foot-4 and 200 pounds, he clearly has the size to play the position. In a down year for quarterbacks, Bazelak is a player who could absolutely earn an Ohio State offer. The good news for the three-star is that right now the Buckeyes don't appear to be rushing through the process at quarterback.

See entire list: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...prospects-who-could-still-earn-buckeye-offers
 
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The Fence Around Ohio Hasn’t Applied to 5-Star Recruits Lately

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The best high school football players in Ohio are expected to go to Ohio State. That’s the way it’s been since football became a thing that people do.

The Buckeyes’ lifeblood runs scarlet with Ohioans and no matter how far away Urban Meyer searches for players, Ohio has laid the foundation for everything Ohio State football has become.

It was once said that Jim Tressel put a fence around Ohio, and maybe that seemed true for a while. In reality, however, there has never been a fence around Ohio, and just imagine where Michigan football would be if there was.

Ohio State never wants to see the top players in the state leave, and while they sign a good percentage of the in-state players that they want, plenty get away. Every year Ohio produces players who will go on to play all over the nation in Power 5 programs, but it’s not every year that the state produces 5-star prospects.

Recruiting rankings aren’t the end-all, but they do shine a light on certain players that Ohio State shouldn’t allow to leave the state.

That player this year is Lewis Center defensive end Zach Harrison. Harrison (6-6 240) is the No. 2 player in the nation and has official visits scheduled with Michigan and Ohio State next month. He has already taken an official visit to Penn State. He is then expected to announce his commitment somewhere prior to his senior season.

Harrison is probably the biggest in-state recruit for the Buckeyes since Braxton Miller in 2011 or Beanie Wells in 2006. Suffice it to say, it’s not every year that Ohio produces a player that many feel Ohio State must not let out of the state.

This being Urban Meyer’s Ohio State, the Buckeyes are better equipped to handle the loss, but it’s something that they’d rather not have to do.

Even though Harrison has stated all along that he is no guarantee to become a Buckeye, most still think that’s where he’ll end up. The stakes that come along with Harrison’s recruitment got me wondering about the history of Ohio’s 5-star prospects and where they ended up. So I went back to the official start of the internet recruiting rankings in 2002 and looked at every in-state 5-star prospect to maybe get an idea of exactly what that Ohio fence looks like for the very best players.

I tried to look at Scout’s rankings, but since 247Sports took them over, they have done one hell of a job of making those rankings unavailable. So if 247 is going to pretend the rankings never existed, I guess I will too. I do know that Scout had John Simon as a 5-star prospect in 2009, so he is included in the table below. I don’t recall any other players only being 5-star prospects per Scout, however, so I think the information below is as accurate as it needs to be.

Since 2002, there have been 31 5-star prospects in the state of Ohio’s final rankings, be it Rivals, 247, ESPN, or the composite. The Buckeyes have signed 20 of those players. That’s a .645 batting average, which is great for baseball, but doesn’t constitute a “fence” in football. The 11 5-star prospects who left the state went to Michigan (2), Notre Dame (2), Clemson, Alabama, Tennessee, USC, Texas, Miami, and LSU.

There are some fluctuations in those numbers, however.

From 2002 to 2008, there were 17 5-star prospects in Ohio and 13 of them ended up as Buckeyes. That’s a pretty good average. But who got away?

Prescott Burgess went to Michigan in 2003, Fred Davis went to USC in 2004, Ben Martin went to Tennessee in 2007, and Kyle Rudolph went to Notre Dame in 2008. As a lesson to never get too worked up about recruiting, the only one of these four commitments that wasn’t seen as “the worst thing to ever happen” was Rudolph, who turned out to be the best of the four players.

Or maybe that just proves people need to be worked up about everyone?

It was that stretch from 2002 to 2008 that solidified the fence talk, but it hasn’t been like that for a decade now.

Of the last 15 5-star prospects in Ohio, eight of them have left the state, including two of the last three.

In the seven years that Urban Meyer has been with the Buckeyes, Ohio has produced just eight 5-star prospects. That’s an average of 1.1 per year. Zach Harrison would be the ninth, by the way.

In the 10 years before Meyer arrived, there were 23 5-star players. That’s twice the number per year that Meyer is now dealing with, which makes it even more imperative to keep the best players in the state from leaving.

Overall, Meyer has signed five of the eight 5-star prospects in Ohio during his time at OSU. The three who got away? All offensive linemen.

Entire article: https://theozone.net/2018/05/the-fence-around-ohio/
 
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It doesn't sound like we were very interested the first time around. Not sure why you would think we'd piss Tate off by bringing a QB in to compete for reps.

Everything has to about competition on this team.
Hunter Johnson has 3 years of eligibility left. There currently is a "hole" left by Burrow's departure. Johnson would fill that "hole".
Great student athlete also.
Looking at what's available in high school QBs this year , Johnson(five star) is a "take" if he's interested.
 
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