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Joey is what Urban wanted JT to become as a full dual threat.
He's going to be forced to transfer because of an injury setting him behind a pass first, second and third QB. And no, Dwayne's ability to slip out on scrambles is not a rebuttal. It wasn't with Cardale either. Both are pretty solid at taking advantage of open lanes, and are very weak at designed runs.
Martell's feet are electric but his passing outshines his running.
Baldwin is somewhere in-between Joey and Dwayne.
He's going to be forced to transfer because of an injury setting him behind a pass first, second and third QB. And no, Dwayne's ability to slip out on scrambles is not a rebuttal. It wasn't with Cardale either. Both are pretty solid at taking advantage of open lanes, and are very weak at designed runs.
Martell's feet are electric but his passing outshines his running.
Baldwin is somewhere in-between Joey and Dwayne.
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Are Buckeyes targeting more ‘pro-style’ quarterbacks now?
The signs have been there for a few years that coach Urban Meyer ideally would like to evolve his offense by adding more vertical passing elements. When Ohio State decided to stick with Cardale Jones following his national championship run, it wasn’t as much a reward for his performance as it was a glimpse at what Meyer seems to want from his quarterbacks as the next phase in his system. Jones provided a ridiculously strong arm to stretch the field, had the physical build to take hits or shrug them off in the pocket ― plus more mobility with his legs that people have given him acknowledged.
So, in some ways I think the pro-style tag is a bit of a misnomer when it comes to Jones, Dwayne Haskins or even early enrollee Matthew Baldwin. All three of those quarterbacks can move the football on the ground to varying degrees, whether it was Jones bowling over defenders in the postseason in 2014 or Haskins busting loose for a crucial 22-yard scramble in the comeback win over Michigan. Baldwin certainly doesn’t qualify as a true dual-threat, but the quarterback run game was a part of his playbook in high school at Lake Travis (Austin, Texas) and he has the ability to use his feet to get out of trouble.
Matthew Baldwin passed for more than 4,000 yards during his senior season in high school.
Where there has been any shift in philosophy, it’s likely that Ohio State is looking for quarterbacks who will rely primarily on their arms instead of leaning on a heavy volume of rushing attempts. Both Braxton Miller and J.T. Barrett set a ton of records and won a bunch of games, so there wasn’t exactly a problem with the previous formula, even if there were times the Buckeyes have been overly reliant on those two as runners. And it’s important to note that Meyer and his coaching staff previously and consistently have pointed to the value of the quarterback rushing attack as a tool to balance the numbers against defenses. I don’t expect that it ever will be completely phased out of the playbook, nor should it be if it’s used in limited doses.
Entire article: https://www.landof10.com/ohio-state...ckeyes-quarterbacks-cardale-jones-depth-chart
The signs have been there for a few years that coach Urban Meyer ideally would like to evolve his offense by adding more vertical passing elements. When Ohio State decided to stick with Cardale Jones following his national championship run, it wasn’t as much a reward for his performance as it was a glimpse at what Meyer seems to want from his quarterbacks as the next phase in his system. Jones provided a ridiculously strong arm to stretch the field, had the physical build to take hits or shrug them off in the pocket ― plus more mobility with his legs that people have given him acknowledged.
So, in some ways I think the pro-style tag is a bit of a misnomer when it comes to Jones, Dwayne Haskins or even early enrollee Matthew Baldwin. All three of those quarterbacks can move the football on the ground to varying degrees, whether it was Jones bowling over defenders in the postseason in 2014 or Haskins busting loose for a crucial 22-yard scramble in the comeback win over Michigan. Baldwin certainly doesn’t qualify as a true dual-threat, but the quarterback run game was a part of his playbook in high school at Lake Travis (Austin, Texas) and he has the ability to use his feet to get out of trouble.
Matthew Baldwin passed for more than 4,000 yards during his senior season in high school.
Where there has been any shift in philosophy, it’s likely that Ohio State is looking for quarterbacks who will rely primarily on their arms instead of leaning on a heavy volume of rushing attempts. Both Braxton Miller and J.T. Barrett set a ton of records and won a bunch of games, so there wasn’t exactly a problem with the previous formula, even if there were times the Buckeyes have been overly reliant on those two as runners. And it’s important to note that Meyer and his coaching staff previously and consistently have pointed to the value of the quarterback rushing attack as a tool to balance the numbers against defenses. I don’t expect that it ever will be completely phased out of the playbook, nor should it be if it’s used in limited doses.
Entire article: https://www.landof10.com/ohio-state...ckeyes-quarterbacks-cardale-jones-depth-chart
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He's also my size, so you can't slam him into a brick wall 20 times a game like you could with the tank named JT (who had sycamore sized thighs since his first year on campus).
You need to do exactly what everyone has called for, lean on your stable of backs to run the ball, but keep the defense honest with his feet on occasion. Use the RPO as a constraint more often instead of allowing the defense to dictate that the passer should be the ball carrier on the read option.
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Their RPO use was impressive. As you said, they used Baker's slippery feet regularly (often to pass, how many sacks did he avoid in Columbus? Or screens that he bought time for?) but limited his carries.
Of course, the best wide open spread offenses can get too cute, like that nonsense on 4th down vs UGA. Times like those are where JT (and Urban's QB-run crazed O) is extremely underrated.
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Tate looks like he's built like a RB. He's what 5'10" and about 205? That's pretty thick. In comparison, Johnny Manziel was listed at 6' 205 at aTm. I'd say he was just shy of both of those numbers.
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Which is the size of an all-purpose back, not a grinder like JT. It would be interesting to see a breakdown of Johnny's designed runs vs scrambles. Letting Tate take off against a few guys on a passing play is very different from letting 10-11 guys key on him on a QB keeper. You can do the latter, but you better not use that as your primary inside power rushing attack. Tebow and Barrett can handle that because they're fullbacks that can pass.
JT averaged 180 carries in 14, 16 & 17. That works out to 14 per game, and the blowouts distort that. Look at the top games and the carry totals, especially in 2016 when the O kept them from winning a title:
2016
17 OU (MW 18, CS 11)
21 UW (MW 11, CS 12)
17 PSU (MW 21, CS 02)
24 MSU (MW 14, CS 04)
30 U-M (MW 11, CS 07)
11 CLM (MW 05, CS 06)
20 JT 13.3 MW 07 CS avg
Take away JT's 7 carries, and it drops to
13 JT 20.3 MW 07 CS or
13 JT 13.3 MW 14 CS
2017
18 OU (JK 13, MW 3)
17 MSU (JK 13, MW 7)
14 IOW (JK 6, MW 5... 8.5 & 5.4 ypc)
15 UM (JK 15, MW 12)
16 UW (JK 17, MW 4)
16 USC (JK 13, MW 5)
16 JT 12.8 JK 06 MW avg
Give 7 of JT's carries to Mike and this is the new average (in those 6 tough games):
09 QB 20 RB1 06 RB2
Baker Mayfield averaged 6.9 carries per game. Only 3 games over 10 = 11, 11 & 12 carries.
That was an uptick from 2016, which only had 6 carries per game.
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