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tOSU Indiscretions of May (Mega Merge)

You refuse to answer the question I have posed... at OSU, who has been given special treatment in order to 'win at all costs' ?

Until you can provide evidence of such, I would say your comments are bordering on slander.

Was Clarett given preferential treatment? Irizarry? Cooper? Skeete? Haw? Guilford? Dukes? etc?
 
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Let's just back off this and calm down. Whether or not paladin1aa has a personal axe to grind with Tressel or no, he is basically raising the same questions that others have as well. I don't like the veiled accusations of impropriety on Tressel's part, and I think we need to stop speculating here regarding those. If you want to talk about the current situation, then do it...I'm not going to allow any further speculations about what *might* have happened at YSU or in JT's past, as none of it can be substantiated, and it does absolutely NO GOOD whatsoever. If you guys want to speculate on the current situation and the future, feel free.
 
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Personally, I don't see slander in this thread. I see legitimate questions and situations that were raised, discussed, and either dismissed or taken into account by each individual. However, if you are looking for an issue, then the post can be twisted into whatever you are looking for I suppose.

PM's do work still and so does the "Report a Bad Post" button...
 
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True enough, I guess its the fact that we are questioning JT's performance at OSU based on facts from YSU, which is a questionable way of judging someone's character.

I do not haev a problem with questioning JT, I just think we should evaluate his performance at OSU which is what all of us can comment on. I have yet to see evidence that the guy is winning at all costs at OSU.

You can say he's too reconciliatory at OSU, or say that the players do not fear him and do whatever they want. But I have not seen evidence that he lets tons of things slide in order to keep OSU winning.
 
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paladin1aa said:
What is now relevant -- what is OSU going to do to bring control to the program and its players ?? Winning at all costs ??


If that was the case, I would think something like getting caught with a "chronic" would have been pretty easy to sweeep under the rug.

Let me say that I don't believe that JT is crooked or sweeping things under the rug. I think he's trying to run a program to be proud of by everyone. But, at this point, the punishment message , as it currently stands, is not hitting the point. Perhaps he should rethink or create a punishment policy. Some players are indeed making him look as bad as others would like to believe.

:oh: :io:
 
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paladin1aa said:
This why I hate message boards. You offer opinions and info and people come after you.

Well, if you expect no one to disagree with you, then I'd highly suggest that you refrain from posting. Your inital post all but accused Tressel of being a dirty "win-at-all-costs" head coach who looks the other way. After being called out on all of your initial points, you back off almost entirely on all counts. You can see why folks may have thought you had a agenda...I know I did.
 
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No, I think do and did are both somewhat applicable here...

BTW, we are STILL waiting for paladin to shed some light on how Tressel is letting things slide at OSU in order to win at all costs... anytime now...
 
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Points made. Points challenged. Points discussed. Perspective gained one way or another. A process putting issues to bed, rather than locking them away to be unseen in a box in the closet.

BP may be a flawed beast, but its one that tries to adjust. We don't have to chase difficult conversations away, we have to turn and face them head on, and deal with them accordingly. Things are posted here sometimes that drive me personally crazy, but I have the option to respond, or not.

If someone is out of line, I can say so. If someone is being unfair or unreasonable, I get to put myself out there and say so.

Some may feel this thread never should have been. I don't know, rather than see bombs dropped all around the different sites, just to have them brushed away, I like that we can get down to the meat here and challenge things point by point. For better or for worse. Sometimes that's going to expose crap for, well, what it is. Sometimes it's going to force us to adjust our perspectives and allow that maybe there's merit to something we don't want to believe. Either way, that's sort of the point of discussing the subject of our obsession, isn't it?

At the end of the day, we choose how much weight to give someone's words. We remember what they've said and how they said it, and balance that against how things play out in the future. Through this, we slowly get our own personal feel for who different people are, and what the value of their perspective is.

We'll never be a platform to bash, damage or destroy. We will be an open platform to discuss. If you think someone is out of line -- tell them, and explain why. Demand they explain themselves, require that they be specific. Challenge them. Make your counter points and explain those. See where it all goes as it plays out.

Or if it's too much, avoid it entirely. Ignore the poster. Ignore the thread.

Define your experience and involvement. Make BP yours.

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Not attempting to highjack the thread by any means, but I really didn't see the point of starting a new one. Tomorrow Gene Smith is going to be on 1360 Homer, at 5:00 and taking some calls on Lance McAllister's (sp?) show. I really have a hard time listening to Lance myself, he is a big Bearcat fan and loves it when he can smear Ohio State, but I thought if someone could come up with a good question to ask Gene Smith I would call the show and see what he had to say. I'll post his response or an overview of the segment tomorrow. Hopefully some of the guys that live in the Cincinnati area that post on here will call in tomorrow and get some good conversation going with Gene tomorrow. Let me know what you got - Thanks -
 
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spraguezilla said:
Not attempting to highjack the thread by any means, but I really didn't see the point of starting a new one. Tomorrow Gene Smith is going to be on 1360 Homer, at 5:00 and taking some calls on Lance McAllister's (sp?) show. I really have a hard time listening to Lance myself, he is a big Bearcat fan and loves it when he can smear Ohio State, but I thought if someone could come up with a good question to ask Gene Smith I would call the show and see what he had to say. I'll post his response or an overview of the segment tomorrow. Hopefully some of the guys that live in the Cincinnati area that post on here will call in tomorrow and get some good conversation going with Gene tomorrow. Let me know what you got - Thanks -
Hello Caller You Are On The Air --

Q: Mr. Smith, Have you met with Coach Tressel since the weekend and the 3rd arrest in May, and if so are you both agreed on changes to improve the off-field behavior of the athletes that will be put into play?
 
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