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tOSU Indiscretions of May (Mega Merge)

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FindlayBucks said:
I didn't mean to suggest pre-emptive arrests by the police....I was simply trying to point out that smoking a joint isn't necessarily harmless, and shouldn't be summarily dismissed as a minor incident. I used a poor illustration, and wound up saying something I didn't intend to.
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I'm willing to bet over 50% of the players on OSU's team smoke weed.

My brother will tell you that he had all-american players from OSU up at their Olentangy Commons parties all the time and all they did was smoke weed.

Some of the players would surprise and also disappoint you if you knew who they were.
 
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lvbuckeye said:
my license was not suspended... then again, i plead Not Guilty to the possession charge (i didn't actually have anything on me- it was in the car that i was about to get into) and the Judge offered to reduce the charge to Disorderly Conduct if i would plead Guilty to that, and i figured that it would be in my best interest to take him up on the deal... Haw will probably get a similar offer...
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I imagine you're right and Haw will receive a lesser conviction, and he should given the circumstances. That doesn't change the fact that any drug conviction is considered more serious than simple speeding.
 
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FindlayBucks said:
I didn't mean to suggest pre-emptive arrests by the police....I was simply trying to point out that smoking a joint isn't necessarily harmless, and shouldn't be summarily dismissed as a minor incident. I used a poor illustration, and wound up saying something I didn't intend to.
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No "crime" or "infraction" is truly harmless...if i were, then it wouldn't be a crime or infraction. My point was that you can't compare Haw's specific situation to that of a DUI...not even close.
 
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Did some quick research-draw your own conclusions:

TOSU student body= 50,000 (rounded off)
total alcohol and drug related arrests and citations(03)=1046
or 2.01% of the student population

With the football team compising roughly 100 members that would seem to indicate that 2 alcohol/drug related incidents per year should be expected.
 
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Oh8ch said:
Lion - couldn't agree more, and I want to take this chance to make a clear distinction.

As I see it the issue at hand for this board is whether OSU has a 'problem' with team discipline and behavior. Part of that jugement is a fair comparison to other programs. I would argue that any group of 105 testosterone driven men of this age group are going to create a ton of problems. I am not convinced those problems are any worse at OSU than anywhere else (except maybe Yale). I further believe that the problem is largely a cultural problem and is not readily solvable by Jim Tressel. He should be attacking it, but it is unreasonable to expect him have measurably greater success than the parents, teachers, pastors and HS coaches who delivered these kids.

That said, I lost a close friend to a drunk driver when I was 12. Cut him clean in half as he was walking on the side of the road not 200 yards from my house. I wouldn't want anyone to think I condone driving under the influence of anything. That is simply a different issue than judging the relative extent of such problems within the OSU program.

(BTW - Over 600,000 people were charged with possession last year.)
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Oh8ch, I agree wholeheartedly with this post, and please don't think I had any bad thoughts about you...I've been on the board with you long enough to know from your first post that in no way did you condone DUI or equate it with non-dangerous crimes or anything like that. I just felt that what I said needed to be said on general principle, based on my own experience.

All that said, I didn't know the above, and I am sorry for your loss, though I know it was a long time ago...the person my family knew was about the same age (13). Guy bombed driving in a pickup truck wiped out a car full of kids...she was the unluckiest one. This is why I felt I had to say something...I am always sorry when I hear stories of people who had to experience something similar.
 
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Alan said:
Did some quick research-draw your own conclusions:

TOSU student body= 50,000 (rounded off)
total alcohol and drug related arrests and citations(03)=1046
or 2.01% of the student population

With the football team compising roughly 100 members that would seem to indicate that 2 alcohol/drug related incidents per year should be expected.
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are these on campus/university disctrict/student body population numbers?
 
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exhawg said:
Personally I think the best way to handle this is to treat Haw like he had a positive drug test with the NCAA, which I believe is a one year suspension. Is there really a difference between being caught smoking weed and to test positive in a drug test? Most guys that I played with who liked to smoke weed only did it during the summer so that they couldn't be tested. Personally I think a two game suspension and a trip to the dog house would be fine. I've never heard of anyone getting kicked off a team for just smoking weed.
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I think that in this one post exhawg encapsulates how so many of the collective "we" of this board are in two minds on this topic.
 
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Did some quick research-draw your own conclusions:

TOSU student body= 50,000 (rounded off)
total alcohol and drug related arrests and citations(03)=1046
or 2.01% of the student population

With the football team compising roughly 100 members that would seem to indicate that 2 alcohol/drug related incidents per year should be expected.
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Those numbers are a good starting point. Now let's take into account that males are at least 50% more likely to participate in such activity as females. Let's also factor in my earlier point that statistically folks who party are 18 times as likely to smoke pot (that multiplier admittedly sounds high [no pun intended] but still a reasonable consideration) coupled with the fact that football players are welcome to every party ever thrwon at OSU. I think you can easily move your expectation up to at least 5-6 per year - which is above where we are.

Of course, some will counter with the argument that players are continually reminded not to partcipate in this stuff. But that leads to another not-yet-made point.

What does it really mean to tell kids not to drink or smoke pot? What is reasonable to expect? How many of us at this age could have our parents, coaches, girl friends, etc. stand on our chests and scream solid, logical arguments not to drive fast, drink beer, skip class, watch porn - you name it. Then we went out and did what any reasonable person who flat out owned the world would do - which is whatever we damn well pleased. How many of us sat around and drank a toast to poor Johnny who couldn't come out to drink that night because he got busted the night before? That is how much we paid attention.

This is close to saying "boys will be boys" so let is slide, but that isn't my point. My point is that if you rip the lid off any football program this is what you will find. Historically college coaches have been much more effective at controlling the flow of information than the behavior of their athletes.
 
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well there was the guy taking a leak on the club floor before the rose bowl, kelly baruka and this beauty by marlin jackson:

"Marlin Jackson was charged with felony assault in 2003 after allegedly hitting a man in the eye with a glass bottle during a fight. He pleaded guilty to a lesser charge, aggravated assault. He admitted to striking the man, but not with a bottle. He received a one-year probation and was suspended for a game."

keep dreaming....keep living in your fantasy land...

One thing I am finding very interesting lately is the obsession of tsun fans with Ohio State.....50% of your boards topics are Ohio State related....
 
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Alan said:
TOSU student body= 50,000 (rounded off)
total alcohol and drug related arrests and citations(03)=1046
or 2.01% of the student population

With the football team compising roughly 100 members that would seem to indicate that 2 alcohol/drug related incidents per year should be expected.
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Of course, there are groups within the student population that have far fewer arrests than the average, and there are groups that have above the average arrest rate. It would be nice if the football team, probably the student group with the greatest amount of privilege, and certainly the greatest amount of visibility, fell into the former classification.
 
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