Game Thread tOSU at Wiscy, Nov 17th, 3:30 ABC

[buckeyesin07]

Indeed.

1993 and 1998 used the old "most recent" rule to get to a RB.

That rule is the dumbest rule ever when it comes to deciding a conference's bowl participation, IMO.

 

[Jaxbuck]

That rule is the dumbest rule ever when it comes to deciding a conference's bowl participation, IMO.

Well I think the problem was that when they made the rule, Bowl games weren't looked at as part of a NC resume/de facto playoff game for a NC.

They were originally meant to be more of an exhibition, to reward teams and their fans for a good season by going somewhere warm for a week in the middle of winter. So if the goal is to let everyone get a little bit of the action with no consideration for the result of the game/conference power rankings etc etc then it did kind of make sense originally.

Topic for another thread but I have always contended this is a big part of the perceived "brokeness" of the D1A football system. It was built/evolved under a completely different set of expectations than exist today. What organization could possibly perform well in 2012 built on a framework designed in the 1950's?

 

[buckeyesin07]

I'm sure this has been discussed earlier in the thread, but anyone have a sense of why the replay official didn't overturn the Wisconsin TE's fumble in the 2nd half? It seemed pretty clear that no part of the player had hit the ground prior to the ball getting loose.

 

[buckeyebri]

I'm a little more disappointed by what we saw from the defense (the scheme, not the players) on the final drive in regulation for Wisconsin. Their QB got hot and our DBs were 7-10 yards off of the receivers seemingly every play.

This has seemingly been the theme all year with our DB play. I have to believe the coaches thought they would just keep them in check and get the clock killed. After the sack I thought we would come with pressure right up the middle but we went conservative. I was surprised (not really) that there wasn't a hold called when Spence's arm was being grabbed as he was circling for the QB on the first down completion.

 

[Bucknut24]

I'm sure this has been discussed earlier in the thread, but anyone have a sense of why the replay official didn't overturn the Wisconsin TE's fumble in the 2nd half? It seemed pretty clear that no part of the player had hit the ground prior to the ball getting loose.

I personally still thought it was too close to overturn

 

[buckeyesin07]

I personally still thought it was too close to overturn

What does that mean? You think there was some part of the player that could have been down that you couldn't see, and therefore it had to stand as called on the field? I'm not arguing with you, just trying to see your point of view, because that's got to be how the replay official thought.

 

[MaxBuck]

What does that mean? You think there was some part of the player that could have been down that you couldn't see, and therefore it had to stand as called on the field? I'm not arguing with you, just trying to see your point of view, because that's got to be how the replay official thought.

There has to be incontrovertible evidence to overturn, and the evidence just wasn't clear enough.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I'm sure this has been discussed earlier in the thread, but anyone have a sense of why the replay official didn't overturn the Wisconsin TE's fumble in the 2nd half? It seemed pretty clear that no part of the player had hit the ground prior to the ball getting loose.

Probably hasn't been beaten to death because we aren't Penn State fans.

B1G officials suck, we all know this. They blew that one big time, imo, but our guys stayed composed and overcame it instead of using it as an excuse.

 

[Bucknut24]

What does that mean? You think there was some part of the player that could have been down that you couldn't see, and therefore it had to stand as called on the field? I'm not arguing with you, just trying to see your point of view, because that's got to be how the replay official thought.

I believe if the calf is touching the ground, he's down, correct?

If that's the case, I couldn't quite tell if the calf was actually touching or not, it was awfully close..I just thought the whole time it was one of those where the ruling on the field would have stood (if it was ruled a fumble, it woulda stood as a fumble)

It's just hard for me to get upset over that type of ruling when I couldn't even tell. I get more pissed at their dumbass "judgement" calls

 

[Bucknut24]

just a fyi to mods, the tag i added is meant as a joke, not to be taken srsly, happened to see a poster or 2 say they should put in Guiton and take out Brax, just making fun of them

 

[LordJeffBuck]

A few thoughts on yesterday's game....

1) After Carlos Hyde scored his first touchdown with 11:45 remaining in the second quarter, the Buckeye offense ran 30 plays in regulation, gaining just 74 yards (2.47 yards per play). Add in 25 yards of penalties while on offense, and the Buckeyes gained just 49 yards in the final 41:45 of regulation.

2) During the offensive doldrums, Braxton Miller was 3/8 passing, for 21 yards, with 3 sacks for -17 yards; and the offense was 0/7 in 3rd down conversions.

3) Ohio State had a hundred more punt yards (336) than total yards (236).

4) Before the final drive of regulation, Curt Phillips, Wisconsin's third-string quarterback, was 9 for 18 passing, for 105 yards, 0 touchdowns, and 3 sacks. The defense had completely shut down Wisconsin's passing game (and their offense in general) by playing aggressive man-to-man coverage and applying pressure to the quarterback. So in the final 90 seconds of regulation, what does Ohio State's defensive brain trust decide to do? Play soft zone with a three-man rush. Phillips, arguably the worst quarterback in the Big Ten (and it's a pretty easy argument to make), promptly completed five straight passes for 49 yards and the game-tying touchdown. The defense could have won the game in regulation, but the coaching staff refused to give them that opportunity.

5) In overtime, the defense became more aggressive once again. On fourth down in overtime, Wisconsin ran the same play as the game-tying touchdown. However, Ohio State sent two extra men on a blitz, and this added pressure disrupted the timing of the play. As a result, Phillips was a split second slow in delivering the football, and Buckeye safety Christian Bryant was able to swat the ball away from Badger tight end Jacob Pedersen.

6) John Simon has consistently flirted with greatness. Last night, he finally achieved it (6 tackles, 4 sacks, batted pass). Simon has always been a tough, hard-nosed, high-motor guy who lacked elite athleticism. Last night, his attitude infused the entire defense, and they turned in their best performance of the season.

7) Ryan Shazier (110 tackles, 14.5 TFL's, 4 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, 12 passes defensed, pick six) didn't enter this season with a lot of hype, so he probably won't make any All American teams this year. But he will definitely be a front-runner for the Butkus Award in 2013.

8) Zach Boren (12 tackles, forced fumble) was created to play middle linebacker against Wisconsin.

9) I don't know anything about Montee Ball. He may be a great guy and a fabulous teammate; he may even go on mission trips to the Philippines. But after the incessant chatter about the career touchdown record, I am officially rooting against the kid. And even if he breaks the record (which seems virtually certain at this point), so what? He can then claim to be better than the great Travis Prentice? Is that really something to brag about?

10) You heard it here first - Carlos Hyde is a better running back than Montee Ball.

11) Watching the telecast of last night's game was like watching a wrestling match between Hulk Hogan and the Iron Sheik. Except that there was no Bobby the Brain Heenan in the broadcast booth to root for the Buckeyes.

 

[jenkinswoody]

I believe if the calf is touching the ground, he's down, correct?

If that's the case, I couldn't quite tell if the calf was actually touching or not, it was awfully close..I just thought the whole time it was one of those where the ruling on the field would have stood (if it was ruled a fumble, it woulda stood as a fumble)

It's just hard for me to get upset over that type of ruling when I couldn't even tell. I get more [censored]ed at their dumbass "judgement" calls

Yes. The call didnt go our way, but was too close to overturn.

 

[zincfinger]

A few thoughts on yesterday's game....

So, to summarize, Zach Boren applied the Camel Clutch to Montee Ball?

 

[osugrad21]

Why is everyone criticizing the coaching staff? Herman wasn't out there making bad reads and looking completely lost....

After the last 10 years, I had to read this post twice and then just assumed someone hacked in LV's account.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

The replay of the fumble didn't look to close to over turn to me.