Game Thread tOSU at Penn State - Oct 27th, 5:30 ET, ESPN

[ScriptOhio]

As was noted there is a time limit. I wouldn't have posted the 1 second limit if I didn't know the rule. And it may not have been the correct ruling on the field but the official was correct that there was a penalty on the play.

Correct, there is a time limit; good explanation here:

A long snapper may not be contacted until one second has elapsed after the snap when the Kicking Team is in a scrimmage kick formation and it is reasonably obvious that a kick might be attempted. In this formation the snapper is afforded special protection since he is in a vulnerable position susceptible to injury. This special protection is a player safety rule. It only applies to the snapper on scrimmage kick plays who are in scrimmage kick formations where the kick is obvious. Rule 9-1-2-o states: When a team is in scrimmage kick formation, a defensive player may not initiate contact with the snapper until one second has elapsed after the snap. The snapper has one second to snap the ball and then position himself to block, protect himself or to release down field. Other players who have special protection from being roughed are the Holder, Kicker and passer.


(EXAMPLES: A.R. 9-1-2-XVIII-XX).

XVIII. A10 is in a shotgun-type formation 7-1/2 yards behind the snapper, who has his head down and is looking backward through his legs. Immediately after the snap, nose guard B55 charges directly at the snapper and contacts him by pushing him backward. RULING: Legal. The snapper is not afforded any special protection because it was not reasonably obvious that a kick might be attempted (Rule 2-15-10). The snapper does have the usual protection against any personal foul for unnecessary roughness.


XIX. Team A is in an obvious scrimmage kick formation. Immediately after the snap, nose guard B55 charges directly at the snapper, contacts him, and drives him backward. The ball is snapped to an upback three yards behind the scrimmage line or to the potential kicker, who instead runs with or passes the ball. RULING: Foul. Penalty?15 yards and automatic first down. The snapper may not be contacted until one second has elapsed after the snap when Team A is in a scrimmage kick formation and it is reasonably obvious that a kick might be attempted.


XX. Immediately after the snap, with Team A in an obvious scrimmage kick formation, noseguard B71 attempts to ?shoot the gap? between the snapper and the adjacent lineman. B71?s initial legal contact is with the lineman next to the snapper. RULING: Legal. Incidental contact with the snapper after this initial legal contact is not a foul (Rule 2-15-10).

I hope this explains the roughing the snapper rule.
Vic Winnek
NCAA Football Official

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Football-Instruction-2069/2009/10/penalty-call.htm

 

[wells]

At his defense- Devon is a good guy, at least he has been in the conversations we've had over the last two years.. And, he goes on to say that Urban makes halftime adjustments and BoB didn't... and that was the game.?

If it were an article just on the officiating there would've been no reaction at all from me. Calls are made based on interpretation of the rules, and that quite often leads to plenty of disagreement. I also don't care how much they whine about losing, it only sweetens the victory for me.

The, "Penn State deserved better," line is practically a party line used by Rally For Resignations. They don't deserve anything, they are not the victims no matter how much they convince themselves otherwise. That's the biggest Penn State blog on the internet, is that truly the message he wishes to convey, "we are the victims, and have been treated unfairly, we deserve retribution." For those that still look upon that team and university with utter disgust, how are we supposed to think anything other than the penalties levied were inadequate in their corrective intent?

 

[Mike80]

At his defense- Devon is a good guy, at least he has been in the conversations we've had over the last two years.. And, he goes on to say that Urban makes halftime adjustments and BoB didn't... and that was the game.

I understand the frustration with the PSU butthurt, but also know that this is a part of their grieving process. For them, this was THE GAME, the moment that everything would be OK, for this season and moving forward. This response is both Denial and Anger... and is one that Buckeye fans can relate to.

Hell, last week, had the Purdue game not ended as it did, part of our conversation (in addition to 'Hope Braxton is OK' and 'Wow, we played like crap') would have been the one-sided officiating. It was a topic of a lot of discussion anyway, and our team won... with a lot less on the line.

As for me, I've decided to just let the PSU stuff ride out... nothing anyone says, on any message board or online article will take away the W from Ohio State. Crappy officiating didn't throw yet another Pick 6. Crappy officiating didn't break up a fake punt. Crappy officiating didn't account for 32 yards rushing. And, as you know, nothing that anyone says to or about them will change their minds anyway.

Soon, hopefully, they'll move on to Bargaining, Depression, and Acceptance. They've got a good coach and some solid things to build on, in spite of the NCAA sanctions.

Plus, I'm more than glad to discuss officiating with them if they'd like... think they're ready to give back the 1982 Penn State game that cost Nebraska a national title?

It would take a very large culture change in the entire state and fanbase for them to ever get past the "blame everyone else for our problems" stage. I do not think they have the mental capacity to do it.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Lots of bitching in here for a very solid road win.

Agreed. I was at a Halloween party so I had to watch the game in bits and pieces with no sound.....and I was ecstatic all night long. Some people in these game threads need to get a grip.

 

[MaliBuckeye]

One would only hope... but with PSU fans, they might get stuck in anger for a LLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGG time.

Are we talking about the same group of fans who still desperately cling to being an "elite" college football program after two decades of mediocrity (which is a giant conspiracy and has nothing to do with how good their teams are, of course) in the Big Ten?

Yeah, I wouldn't hold my breath.

It would take a very large culture change in the entire state and fanbase for them to ever get past the "blame everyone else for our problems" stage. I do not think they have the mental capacity to do it.

Agreed- those who are deep into the mindset may just be beyond hope. The rest, though... fingers crossed.

I don't care how good of a guy he is. Give him a call and tell him it's complete bullshit that Penn State fans act like victims. In fact, it's sickening and downright deplorable. Just because you like a guy does not excuse continual crap like this. Their university destroyed lives, and continued to do it for years knowing full well what they were doing. Every single one of their writers should start off every single article with "thankfully I can actually write an article on Penn State football, because we are incredibly lucky Penn State is playing football at all." Screw them and their "woe is us" bullcrap. On top of all of that, they don't deserve anything. Well, not anything good. You know what I would have preferred? The refs stand in the middle of the field at the start of the game, flip the bird to every single one of those cult members, declare Ohio State the winner of the game, and then walk off. Even after that they would not have the right to complain, because that is still better than what they deserve.

Will do, as soon as I stop answering my phone to have other fans tell me that it's complete Mark May that Ohio State fans act like arrogant pieces of Michigan.

Seriously, I hear where you're coming from, but I'm not willing to characterize an entire fanbase because of the extremists, even if those extremists seem to be the majority.

The, "Penn State deserved better," line is practically a party line used by Rally For Resignations. They don't deserve anything, they are not the victims no matter how much they convince themselves otherwise. That's the biggest Penn State blog on the internet, is that truly the message he wishes to convey, "we are the victims, and have been treated unfairly, we deserve retribution." For those that still look upon that team and university with utter disgust, how are we supposed to think anything other than the penalties levied were inadequate in their corrective intent?

You know, that's a great point- I haven't followed the R4R situation closely, since I knew that Lance Manion was on it.

I read that as "Wow, I wanted something different from this night... it just didn't seem fair to have outside influence mar our chance at something special". Given all the stuff they'd gone through, their solace was (supposed) to be on the field... and when that fell apart (due to something that their team seemingly had no control over) it left them grasping for meaning/straws. I had a similar feeling, I believe, last year when we collapsed against Nebraska- I thought that the weight of it all finally caught up to the team.

Anywho- 'preciate the thoughts; which reinforce for me why BP is such a great place. I'd be glad to continue this conversation via PM, so we don't end up bogging up a great victory thread.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

It worked in the 3rd quarter.

There isn't a fanbase in the country that tries harder to play the disrespect card. As usual, the smile on my face after beating them is going to take a few more days to go away. Fuck these assholes.

 

[Mike80]

Agreed- those who are deep into the mindset may just be beyond hope. The rest, though... fingers crossed.

The ones that can be saved are already voicing the dissent. They are a very very teeny tiny majority of that fan base. They simply can't make the leap. There's no hope for 99.95% of that fanbase.

 

[OHSportsFan]

The ones that can be saved are already voicing the dissent. They are a very very teeny tiny majority of that fan base. They simply can't make the leap. There's no hope for 99.95% of that fanbase.

I actually think a lot of the students themselves are going to be alright.

There's an old guard, however, that simply won't change- as is the case with many of things in life.

 

[MaliBuckeye]

The ones that can be saved are already voicing the dissent. They are a very very teeny tiny majority of that fan base. They simply can't make the leap. There's no hope for 99.95% of that fanbase.

Or... they're the ones that aren't in so deep that they're part of BWI or other online "gathering places". It takes a special investment from a certain type of person to choose to spend so much time online writing about college sports...

Wait... why is everyone laughing and backing away from me?

 

[Mike80]

I actually think a lot of the students themselves are going to be alright.

There's an old guard, however, that simply won't change- as is the case with many of things in life.

You're thinking a lot of the students are football fans. I kind of doubt it's much different from the students at Ohio State in a lot of cases. Sure, there are the kids that are there who like football - but they are the future cult members too. A lot of the kids there are actually there for the schooling believe it or not. They are in that .05%...

Or... they're the ones that aren't in so deep that they're part of BWI or other online "gathering places". It takes a special investment from a certain type of person to choose to spend so much time online writing about college sports...

Wait... why is everyone laughing and backing away from me?

I'm telling you dude, and BN27 and jwins can vouch - it's not just the freaks on the internet.

 

[OHSportsFan]

You're thinking a lot of the students are football fans. I kind of doubt it's much different from the students at Ohio State in a lot of cases. Sure, there are the kids that are there who like football - but they are the future cult members too. A lot of the kids there are actually there for the schooling believe it or not. They are in that .05%...

Fair point as that is mostly the case with a the friends of mine associated with PoSU.

 

[BuckJr]

Rewatched the game, and Noah Spence should have had 3-4 sacks this game. Pedo State fans whining about the refs should go and look how badly jobbed the Buckeyes got on defense in the 2nd half.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

Rewatched the game, and Noah Spence should have had 3-4 sacks this game. Pedo State fans whining about the refs should go and look how badly jobbed the Buckeyes got on defense in the 2nd half.

Didn't see this post - agree (per my post in the Spence thread) big time

 

[youra6]

Pedtards

That one on the bottom left can ped me all she wants.

 

[buxfan4life]

I rewatched the game, and the non-calls were pretty much even both ways. Both OLs were holding all night long, and the refs looked the other way 99% of the time.

On the punt where PSU got called for holding, I at first thought OSU got a break unitl I watched the replay. Had the PSU player simply pushed him to the ground, I don't think it gets called. But, he clearly grabbed the jersey at the shoulder pads which is why the ref threw the flag.

The Amos personal foul should have not been called, IMO, as he was in the middle of his move when the ball sailed over Brown's (IIRC) head , so I do think we got away with one there. But, on the flip side I believe that the roughing the passer call against Shazier was just as bad, as he did pull up a bit before he hit McGloin.

Either way, the reffing was not consistent all night, but it went both ways. Take all of the fouls out of the game, and OSU still kicks their ass.