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-Laurinaitis33-
I've Got Laurinaitis!
Jeffcat;849045; said:
That is cool, I go to Elida right now. I know a few kids at DJ though.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
Just a "for what it's worth" post since this seems to have turned into a thread about getting into school and staying there, here's some thoughts/advice from a real, live adjunct professor:
1. Standardized test scores do an excellent job of predicting who will succeed in a traditional school environment, and yeah, they do favor kids from certain racial/ethnic/cultural/SES backgrounds, but that's because folks from those backgrounds are the ones that designed the test and built the schools and established the curriculum. Makes sense to me, societies create schools to meet the needs of the society. But every semester I have kids who get As 'cause they work at it, not because they had 1410 on their Boards.
2. Having taught English comp at Miami and NKU and having close friends who do the same at U Cincinnati, Xavier and other area colleges, I can tell you that I always have at least two kids in my Miami classes who don't belong there (often a 'legacy' admission). I always have at least five or six students in my NKU classes who would be just fine at Miami or Xavier. Teachers at other schools report the same.
3. The single biggest determinant to passing or failing English comp at any school is attendance. The second is turning work in on time. I don't bull shit around. I take attendance at each class session. You get four absences per semester, (three if its a 2 x a week) and I could give a shit less how you use them. Once you cross that line I drop your grade one whole letter. Miss again and I ask you to drop the course. Late papers, no matter what the reason, repeat, no matter what the reason, start off a full letter grade off. If I tell you to get help and you don't go (and at Miami and NKU I get notices from the support folks that tell me who visited and what they worked on) I assume you don't care. Tough shit. Look for a D on your next paper. That's pretty par for the course among my colleagues. I've only flunked two kids who showed up often enough, and turned things in on time and both had no business in a college classroom.
4. What do I look for in college writing? a. Organized, stays on topic, supports statements with facts or opinions from experts and has some idea of how to use MLA or APA b) Has a voice, i.e. doesn't write like a newspaper reporter, brings in anecdotes, a glimpse of the writer as a person, knows how to use dialog and action and doesn't get heavy on the description (easy on the adjectives) c) Nothing catches an English teacher's eye faster than someone who doesn't know how to use their, there and they're, to, too and two, knew and new, know and no and the correct use of personal pronouns... "I and him went to the game to," will jump right off the paper.
5. Editors make something on the order of $35 per page or $50 an hour to spot your errors. I don't make that much. I'll tell you you have problems e.g. with quotation marks, or sentence structure, or clarity but I'm not your editor and I don't mark it. It's your paper, you find it. You should have learned that stuff in fifth grade. If I see that you keep on repeating the errors in subsequent papers I'll dock your grade for it. Studies show that you don't look at my corrections on your papers anyway, so why should I waste my time marking them?
6. Finally, if you can write a solid 5 paragraph essay answer with few grammar/spelling errors, show up in class and turn your work in on time there's no reason you shouldn't get at least a B in my class or any other teacher's class. I've been on panels with 40 to 50 other English teachers where we 'calibrate' or 'norm' our grading. You'd be amazed how easy that is to do. We all have a pretty good idea of what an A paper looks like as well as a D.
7. good luck
1. Standardized test scores do an excellent job of predicting who will succeed in a traditional school environment, and yeah, they do favor kids from certain racial/ethnic/cultural/SES backgrounds, but that's because folks from those backgrounds are the ones that designed the test and built the schools and established the curriculum. Makes sense to me, societies create schools to meet the needs of the society. But every semester I have kids who get As 'cause they work at it, not because they had 1410 on their Boards.
2. Having taught English comp at Miami and NKU and having close friends who do the same at U Cincinnati, Xavier and other area colleges, I can tell you that I always have at least two kids in my Miami classes who don't belong there (often a 'legacy' admission). I always have at least five or six students in my NKU classes who would be just fine at Miami or Xavier. Teachers at other schools report the same.
3. The single biggest determinant to passing or failing English comp at any school is attendance. The second is turning work in on time. I don't bull shit around. I take attendance at each class session. You get four absences per semester, (three if its a 2 x a week) and I could give a shit less how you use them. Once you cross that line I drop your grade one whole letter. Miss again and I ask you to drop the course. Late papers, no matter what the reason, repeat, no matter what the reason, start off a full letter grade off. If I tell you to get help and you don't go (and at Miami and NKU I get notices from the support folks that tell me who visited and what they worked on) I assume you don't care. Tough shit. Look for a D on your next paper. That's pretty par for the course among my colleagues. I've only flunked two kids who showed up often enough, and turned things in on time and both had no business in a college classroom.
4. What do I look for in college writing? a. Organized, stays on topic, supports statements with facts or opinions from experts and has some idea of how to use MLA or APA b) Has a voice, i.e. doesn't write like a newspaper reporter, brings in anecdotes, a glimpse of the writer as a person, knows how to use dialog and action and doesn't get heavy on the description (easy on the adjectives) c) Nothing catches an English teacher's eye faster than someone who doesn't know how to use their, there and they're, to, too and two, knew and new, know and no and the correct use of personal pronouns... "I and him went to the game to," will jump right off the paper.
5. Editors make something on the order of $35 per page or $50 an hour to spot your errors. I don't make that much. I'll tell you you have problems e.g. with quotation marks, or sentence structure, or clarity but I'm not your editor and I don't mark it. It's your paper, you find it. You should have learned that stuff in fifth grade. If I see that you keep on repeating the errors in subsequent papers I'll dock your grade for it. Studies show that you don't look at my corrections on your papers anyway, so why should I waste my time marking them?
6. Finally, if you can write a solid 5 paragraph essay answer with few grammar/spelling errors, show up in class and turn your work in on time there's no reason you shouldn't get at least a B in my class or any other teacher's class. I've been on panels with 40 to 50 other English teachers where we 'calibrate' or 'norm' our grading. You'd be amazed how easy that is to do. We all have a pretty good idea of what an A paper looks like as well as a D.
7. good luck
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jimotis4heisman
Banned
cincibuck;849423; said:
i always found it was nice even in a large class to go see the prof a couple of times. dont waste his or your time. but stopping in and asking question or making a comment after class i always thought got me the benefit of the doubt more than once. like i said i dont think you need to see the guy every week for an hour. just enough to let him know you care. stop in, i always assumed if they asked my name they marked it down or wrote it somewhere. two or three times over 10 weeks isnt much for five to ten minutes. obviously depending on the subject, the prof and what you say it determines how effective this is.
that and divide up your day. i still to this day schedule based off of a four color system.
green is go time (money time). this is all out all go. this is productive time, not coffee drinking or talking time.
orange is construction time. this is when i 'sharpen my saw" to this day i use it to catch up on new products and information and what not.
yellow is flex type time. this is before a big meeting prep time or 15 mins to get ready and loose for a meeting right before it. i typically have a mid afternoon snack at the same time every day while doing a small task that doesnt take much focus.
red time. free time. obvious.
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Bleed S & G
Taking Crazy Pills
-Laurinaitis33-;849027; said:
for real though, schools for fools.. look at me!!
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OWUBuckeye51
is not receiving a bail out
Completely random post here...I just found out about 10 minutes ago that I was accepted into Fisher's MBA program @ tOSU!
SO PUMPED!!!
Sorry to share w/ BP, but no one else is awake (family included)!
SO PUMPED!!!
Sorry to share w/ BP, but no one else is awake (family included)!
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fourteenandoh
My swing feels like an unfolding lawn chair.
jimotis4heisman;849430; said:
Great point. I had a very successful college career and I this was a huge part of my "strategy" if you will. More times than not I would get the A- instead of the B+ simply becuase the teacher could put a face to the name. Also, on a more human level, it makes a huge school like OSU feel much smaller when the teachers know who you are.
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OSU_Buckguy
Head Coach
congrats! wake your family. you've earned it, and i bet they would enjoy being called.OWUBuckeye51;850235; said:
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-Laurinaitis33-
I've Got Laurinaitis!
OWUBuckeye51;850235; said:
It is good to share on here, it is a great accomplishment, congrats on getting accepted and good luck with it.
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OWUBuckeye51;850235; said:
It is an excellent business school and you are right to be thrilled. If you feel in any way that you have a weakness in maths or stats, be wise and remedy these now, prior to admission.
The best way to know if you are prepared is to get ahold of the Schaum's outlines for probability and statistics and calculus. If these look okay to you and you have mastered that stuff, then "no problemo". If you haven't , then you should. That way you will not be trying to master the mechanics and the subject matter in corporate finance, operations management, etc.
As an MBA professor, my feeling is that students who have mastered the maths invariably sail through our program.
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The discussion of English classes, morons, and smelly socks to wasn't a good fit to the Football Forum. I have moved some posts from this thread to the Administrative Forum so that the Admins and Open Discussion Forum mods can decide if it fits there or move it to the Reference Locker.
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Jeffcat;850543; said:i am not a business major, but just out of curiosity what is the usual requirements for math and stat programs as prerequisites to enter the programs at fisher? i am sure they vary but just curious.
I haven't taught on the Fisher College of Business program for almost ten years now but I do keep in touch with the faculty.
For the MBA, Fisher College of Business relies on a number of assessment methods and the GMAT exam plays a strong role in that mix. GMAT measures basic algebra and geometry concepts, including a bit of trigonometry http://www.gmac.com/gmac/TheGMAT/WhatIstheGMAT/WhattheGMATMeasures.htm.
The problem is that you have some really good quants guys at Fisher across disciplines--and they want to teach you what they know because they know it will give you an edge in the marketplace.
If you have mastered algebra and geometry, understand differential calculus and probability theory, then the advanced analytic techniques and statistical modeling used by the quants guys is manageable. If not, you drown while trying to catch up.
The admission standard at Ohio State is high and rising precisely because they want to leverage their excellent professorial competencies in the classroom. You can't teach the good stuff when the people in the class cannot follow it. If you are an Ohio State grad, rising admission standards are increasing the value of your degree.
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