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Game Thread Tostitos Fiesta Bowl: Ohio State 34, Notre Dame 20 (final)

They allow 119 YPG. I don't think Pittman, Wells, and Smith will have that much of a problem running the ball.

Sounds like a cue for DaddyBigBucks to do another one of his excellent stats analysis posts, along the line of how many yards more per game did we rush for over the opponent's rush defense for the year (minus our game). Then again, knowing DBB, he probably has.

I'll say this, if we rush for 150+ yards in this game there's no way we lose.
 
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Sounds like a cue for DaddyBigBucks to do another one of his excellent stats analysis posts, along the line of how many yards more per game did we rush for over the opponent's rush defense for the year (minus our game). Then again, knowing DBB, he probably has.

I'll say this, if we rush for 150+ yards in this game there's no way we lose.
off the cuff, i think i can confidently say that given the levels of ND's competition, and given the fact that ND usually had a pretty sizable lead in most of their games, which causes the opposition to PASS as opposed to run, which would naturally bring rushing averages down, i would tend to think the ND's run defense is a bit overrated at the #25 spot...

basically, i'm fairly confident that we will run the ball effectively against them...

yup. i looked it up. ND gives up 3.58 YPC on the season. the Buckeyes give up 2.36 YPC...
 
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Anyone predicting a blowout, on either side, is sippin the koolaid!:biggrin:

Ugh, not really. Listen people, yes, ND has a High Octane offense. They have no defense to speak of, and have played patsies most of the year.

ND is Texas Tech with Hype. It cracks me up, everyone bitches about the hype the media gives ND, but half of you are believing it anyway. This game will NOT be close. What was teh spread laid out for this game? Ill lay 100 REAL money down with anyone willing to bet me on this game. I am hoping I can get my dad to find me some ND fans since he works in Indy who will play even odds on this cuz ill be ready to make LOTS of cash off of them.
 
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Ugh, not really. Listen people, yes, ND has a High Octane offense. They have no defense to speak of, and have played patsies most of the year.

ND is Texas Tech with Hype. It cracks me up, everyone bitches about the hype the media gives ND, but half of you are believing it anyway. This game will NOT be close. What was teh spread laid out for this game? Ill lay 100 REAL money down with anyone willing to bet me on this game. I am hoping I can get my dad to find me some ND fans since he works in Indy who will play even odds on this cuz ill be ready to make LOTS of cash off of them.

I was thinking NW...because we, er, destroyed them :biggrin:
 
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Still got the tape. Good news.
 
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Sounds like a cue for DaddyBigBucks to do another one of his excellent stats analysis posts, along the line of how many yards more per game did we rush for over the opponent's rush defense for the year (minus our game). Then again, knowing DBB, he probably has.

I'll say this, if we rush for 150+ yards in this game there's no way we lose.

Here you go...

from page 16...


http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/showthread.php?p=353715&highlight=statistical#post353715

Edit: Hmmm... Now that I look at it, I should probably break it down by rushing and passing. Give me a minute.


Edit: Just as I thought; I already had a spread sheet for this. I'll just give the expected outputs and spare you the details.

Predicting OSU's Output

OSU average rushing offense minus ND differential rushing defense:

134.12 yards and 3.6 yards per carry


OSU average passing offense minus ND differential passing defense:

246.93 yards and 8.89 yards per attempt



ND average rushing defense PLUS OSU differential rushing offense:

148.92 yards and 3.81 yards per carry


ND average passing defense PLUS OSU differential passing offense:

248.65 yards and 9.48 yards per attempt

So OSU's expected Offensive Output is:
Rushing: 134 to 149 yards @ 3.6 to 3.81 ypc
Passing: 247 to 249 yards @ 8.89 to 9.48 ypa
Predicting ND's Output

ND average rushing offense minus OSU differential rushing defense:

27.46 yards and 1.25 yards per carry


ND average passing offense minus OSU differential passing defense:

289.7 yards and 7.66 yards per attempt



OSU average rushing defense PLUS ND differential rushing offense:

83.92 yards and 2.17 yards per carry


OSU average passing defense PLUS ND differential passing offense:

312.12 yards and 8.18 yards per attempt

So ND's expected Offensive Output is:
Rushing: 27 to 84 yards @ 1.25 to 2.17 ypc
Passing: 290 to 312 yards @ 7.66 to 8.18 ypa
I apologize if I've posted this elsewhere already...

Anyway, it does look like ND will be able to move the ball through the air; which is as most of us expect.

Down in the red-zone, where the passing zones get small and deep is no longer deep; their inability to do anything on the ground will spell trouble (for them).

I should add for completeness, that this analysis compares each team to the other teams their opponents played. Thus, factoring in the opponents' schedule strength gives an important correction to the analysis; though it is difficult to quantify. I have done this analysis (yes, I am that much of a geek) and find that you must actually adjust these numbers in OSU's favor. The total adjustment is about 20 yards for rushing and 30 yards for passing IIRC, but it is difficult at best to determine how to allocate the correction between offense and defense.

Now, forget the spreadsheet crap and I'll tell you what I really think. OSU decided late in the season (Illinois and NW games) that if a team can't run, they'll play to stop the pass. They let NW run a little and they let Illinois try to (snicker), and they shut down their passing games big-time.

Look for the same strategy vs. the Irish. If ND has as much trouble running the ball as this analysis suggests they will; forget about it.

I just hope that Laura Quinn doesn't hold what he's about to do to Brady against him.
 
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I played around a bit with the per-game rushing defense averages of each of our opponents, factoring out our game:

<div style="font-family : courier; font-size : small;"><table border="0" cellpadding="4"><tr bgcolor="ffffff"><td>&nbsp;</td><td colspan="3" align="center">Season</td><td colspan="3" align="center">Our Game</td><td colspan="3" align="center">Difference</td></tr><tr bgcolor="ffffff"><td align="center">TEAM</td><td>Rushes</td><td>Yards</td><td>YPC</td><td>Rushes</td><td>Yards</td><td>YPC</td><td>Rushes</td><td>Yards</td><td>YPC</td></tr><tr bgcolor="f0f0f0"><td align="right">Miami (Oh)</td><td align="right">34</td><td align="right">138</td><td align="right">4.1</td><td align="right">36</td><td align="right">160</td><td align="right">4.4</td><td align="right">+2</td><td align="right">+22</td><td align="right">+0.3</td></tr><tr bgcolor="d0d0d0"><td align="right">Texas</td><td align="right">35</td><td align="right">126</td><td align="right">3.6</td><td align="right">36</td><td align="right">111</td><td align="right">3.1</td><td align="right">+1</td><td align="right">-15</td><td align="right">-0.5</td></tr><tr bgcolor="f0f0f0"><td align="right">SDSU</td><td align="right">43</td><td align="right">186</td><td align="right">4.3</td><td align="right">46</td><td align="right">179</td><td align="right">3.9</td><td align="right">+3</td><td align="right">-7</td><td align="right">-0.4</td></tr><tr bgcolor="d0d0d0"><td align="right">Iowa</td><td align="right">37</td><td align="right">103</td><td align="right">2.8</td><td align="right">60</td><td align="right">314</td><td align="right">5.2</td><td align="right">+23</td><td align="right">+211</td><td align="right">+2.4</td></tr><tr bgcolor="f0f0f0"><td align="right">Penn State</td><td align="right">38</td><td align="right">97</td><td align="right">2.6</td><td align="right">37</td><td align="right">117</td><td align="right">3.2</td><td align="right">-1</td><td align="right">+20</td><td align="right">+0.6</td></tr><tr bgcolor="d0d0d0"><td align="right">Mich State</td><td align="right">37</td><td align="right">167</td><td align="right">4.5</td><td align="right">26</td><td align="right">137</td><td align="right">5.3</td><td align="right">-11</td><td align="right">-30</td><td align="right">+0.8</td></tr><tr bgcolor="f0f0f0"><td align="right">Indiana</td><td align="right">42</td><td align="right">213</td><td align="right">5.1</td><td align="right">48</td><td align="right">240</td><td align="right">5.0</td><td align="right">+6</td><td align="right">+27</td><td align="right">-0.1</td></tr><tr bgcolor="d0d0d0"><td align="right">Minnesota</td><td align="right">36</td><td align="right">155</td><td align="right">4.3</td><td align="right">43</td><td align="right">216</td><td align="right">5.0</td><td align="right">+7</td><td align="right">+61</td><td align="right">+0.7</td></tr><tr bgcolor="f0f0f0"><td align="right">Illinois</td><td align="right">43</td><td align="right">237</td><td align="right">5.5</td><td align="right">46</td><td align="right">202</td><td align="right">4.4</td><td align="right">+3</td><td align="right">-35</td><td align="right">-1.1</td></tr><tr bgcolor="d0d0d0"><td align="right">Northwestern</td><td align="right">40</td><td align="right">199</td><td align="right">5.0</td><td align="right">54</td><td align="right">317</td><td align="right">5.9</td><td align="right">+14</td><td align="right">+118</td><td align="right">+0.9</td></tr><tr bgcolor="f0f0f0"><td align="right">Michigan</td><td align="right">36</td><td align="right">138</td><td align="right">3.8</td><td align="right">35</td><td align="right">118</td><td align="right">3.4</td><td align="right">-1</td><td align="right">-20</td><td align="right">-0.4</td></tr><tr bgcolor="ffffff"><td align="right">AVERAGE</td><td align="right">38</td><td align="right">160</td><td align="right">4.2</td><td align="right">42</td><td align="right">192</td><td align="right">4.6</td><td align="right">+4</td><td align="right">+32</td><td align="right">+0.4</td></tr></table></div>

Since we averaged 0.4 ypc more than what defense normally allowed (actually, it was around .36, rounded up), and ND gives up 3.68 ypc, we should gain around 4.1 ypc against them. If we were to match our 42 rushes-per-game average, that would give us around 172 yards rushing for them game.
 
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