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Bucknut319 said:
You make some good points that I agree with, but here are my thoughts:

It would be nice to know that if you lost one game, your season hopes weren't completely shot! Also, we have lately been a slow starting team that plays well late in the season...which would serve us well in a playoff.

Hell, I'm not even a big basketball fan, but I get pumped for march madness. I can't even imagine how exciting that would be for football!
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I don't think a March Madness strategy would be a good one for CFB. How much do you care when OSU loses a basketball game? Not much.. Mostly cause they can afford to lose and still make the tourney.

If OSU could drop 2 games a year and still make a FB playoff, the rabid factor of fandom would take a decline over time, because winning would not be as important. (In terms of getting to the title)
 
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UGABuck said:
I disagree and so does the NCAA. CFB is meant to produce a National Champion. The NCAA does it in every other football division, basketball, hockey, etc. They don't do it for 1A because it's the biggest sport and some gentleman put together the Bowl System to capitalize on that popularity. The BCS is a tool to produce an NC....it just happens to suck.
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Go look on the NCAA website and look up the past Div1A football champs. Here is what you'll see:

Past Division I-A Football National Champions



The NCAA does not conduct a national championship in Division I-A football and is not involved in the selection process. Since 1998, the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) operated jointly by the ACC, Southeastern, Big 12, Big East, Big Ten and Pacific-10 Conferences has used a ranking system to determine the number one and number two teams at the end of the season. These two teams play each other in a post-season bowl game for the BCS national championship. Below is a year-by-year history of Division I-A football national champions as determined by various organizations:


The NCAA does not recognize a champion.
 
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scooter1369 said:
Go look on the NCAA website and look up the past Div1A football champs. Here is what you'll see:

Past Division I-A Football National Champions



The NCAA does not conduct a national championship in Division I-A football and is not involved in the selection process. Since 1998, the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) operated jointly by the ACC, Southeastern, Big 12, Big East, Big Ten and Pacific-10 Conferences has used a ranking system to determine the number one and number two teams at the end of the season. These two teams play each other in a post-season bowl game for the BCS national championship. Below is a year-by-year history of Division I-A football national champions as determined by various organizations:


The NCAA does not recognize a champion.
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Good find.
 
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Playoffs make each regular season game less important because all you need to do is make the tourney. Do you really want to make home games in the 'Shoe less important and move the important games (and the money) to California, Arizona, Florida, etc?
 
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BuckeyeKid789 said:
We need a playoff because teams like Auburn last year, Oregon in '01, and Ohio St. in '98 aren't getting a shot to compete for the NC.
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I agree with what BKB said... the whole year is a playoff. We had a shot in '98 but we lost to MSU... as much as it hurt... too bad for us.

People just have to agree to disagree on the subject. Until the NCAA can find a way to make more money off a playoff system that they do off the BSC nothing will change.

What kind of uproar would it cause if we had a playoff this year that included FSU (as ACC Champion) and somehow they go on to win a national championship. A 4 loss team winning a national championship?!?!

There are good and bad scenarios with both a playoff system and the BCS.
 
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LoKyBuckeye said:
I agree with what BKB said... the whole year is a playoff. We had a shot in '98 but we lost to MSU... as much as it hurt... too bad for us.

People just have to agree to disagree on the subject. Until the NCAA can find a way to make more money off a playoff system that they do off the BSC nothing will change.

What kind of uproar would it cause if we had a playoff this year that included FSU (as ACC Champion) and somehow they go on to win a national championship. A 4 loss team winning a national championship?!?!

There are good and bad scenarios with both a playoff system and the BCS.
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What about Auburn? They did their job by winning every game which is all they can do but since they started the season ranked behind Oklahoma and USC they got left out. It just isn't fair to teams like that.
 
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BuckeyeKid789 said:
What about Auburn? They did their job by winning every game which is all they can do but since they started the season ranked behind Oklahoma and USC they got left out. It just isn't fair to teams like that.
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Like I said there are both good and bad scenarios with both options. If you are going to use a BCS type system to get your playoff teams then a team like Auburn would need to schedule tougher opponents than Louisiana-Monroe, Louisiana Tech and The Citadel like they did on 2004 to get a better strength of schedule. Because of playing those teams their strength of schedule kept them lower in the polls.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
I'm presonally in favor of a playoff... maybe 4 or 8 teams... but, the strongest argument I've heard against the playoff is that College football is the most exciting sport for the whole season because every game matters.
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I think a 4 team playoff would still maintain most of the "can't lose" mentality that makes CFB so great.

use the bcs bowls, so nobody else gets hurt by it. It wouldn't detract that much from the other bowls, since right now the NC game technically "detracts" from the other bowls. The only problem, and why it will never happen, are the greedy bowl owners of the bcs bowls.
 
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BuckeyeKid789 said:
Would you feel the same way if there were 3 undefeated teams with one of them being us and we got left out because we didn't start the season in the top 2?
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Sorry I didn't get back to this sooner.

Yes I would feel the same...

Scooter mentioned some of it. One of the biggest things for me is this; Let's say tOSU goes into the third Saturday of November already having locked up a seed in the playoffs (a very likely scenario. see 2002)...Do you play to win against scUM or do you sit people to make the playoff run? If I go over to the "Will the Colts go undefeated" thread, I'm sure there are many people saying that the Colts should sit everybody once they've clinched home field. This is part of what makes college so much better than the NFL. Every game matters!! The last game or two most likely won't mean anything for the Colts...Also, every argument I've heard for playoffs in college football includes using the pre-existing Bowl Games, therefore, the games are at neutral sites. What difference does it really make to try and win the scUM game (blasphemous!!). You're not fighting for home field, only seeding positions at a neutral site. The way college football is, there could very easily be times where I would rather play a higher seeded team than the lower seeded one (this year Auburn is better than ND IMO, for example). As a coach, you might want to lose a game to get a match up that you like more. We've had all these discussions about conference strength; why we think so-n-so's record (or seeding position in a playoff system) is not indicative of how good they really are. This would not be a far fetched idea here, that there may be situations where you actually want to lose a late season game...That is a terrible place for college football to go...College football is not the NFL. There is no way, aside from playing 117 games a year, to determine a champion. That's fine with me. It's still the best sport going and not having playoffs is one of the reasons why. People say "playoff!!", yet I don't think they look at all the ramifications of trying to implement a playoff in college...

College football is about tradition and any mention of playoffs destroys tradition. There are many other reasons, but this isn't the right thread and I've typed paragraph after paragraph in the past, as has Oh8ch if I'm not mistaken. You could look back to one of the old threads if you can find it. My opinions of the playoff idea has not changed...

And as a post script: You can see that nowhere have I defended the BCS. My dislike of the BCS does not mean I want a playoff. The BCS is better, however, than it used to be. But it wasn't so bad back then either...:biggrin:
 
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Buckeyes #4 in Coaches Poll

Here it is from usatoday.com! :biggrin:

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Rank ​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202 bgColor=#990000>Team (first-place votes)</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74 bgColor=#990000>
Record​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67 bgColor=#990000>
Points ​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85 bgColor=#990000>
Last week ​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=40 height=21>
1.​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202>Southern California (55)</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74>
12-0​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67>
1,543​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85>
1​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=40 height=21>
2.​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202>Texas (7) </TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74>
12-0​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67>
1,495​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85>
2​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=40 height=21>
3.​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202>Penn State</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74>
10-1​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67>
1,424​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85>
4​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=40 height=21>
4.​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202>Ohio State</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74>
9-2​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67>
1,300​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85>
6​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=40 height=21>
5.​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202>http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/sec/georgia.htmOregon</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74>
10-1​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67>
1,234​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85>
8​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=40 height=21>
6.​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202>http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/pac10/wsu.htmNotre Dame</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74>
9-2​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67>
1,219​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85>
7​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=40 height=21>
7.​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202>http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/pac10/cal.htmAuburn</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74>
9-2​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67>
1,141​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85>
9​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=40 height=21>
8.​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202>Georgia
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74>
10-2​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67>
1,097​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85>
13​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=40 height=21>
9.​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202>http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/acc/fsu.htmMiami (Fla.)
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74>
9-2​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67>
1,075​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85>
10​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=40 height=21>
10.​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202>LSU</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74>
10-2​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67>
1,002​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85>
3​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=40 height=21>
11.​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202 height=21>West Virginia</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74 height=21>
10-1​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67 height=21>
959​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85 height=21>
12​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=40 height=21>
12.​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202>Virginia Tech</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74>
10-2​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67>
955​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85>
5​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=40 height=20>
13.​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202>Alabama
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74>
9-2​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67>
787​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85>
14​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=40 height=21>
14.​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202>TCU</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74>
10-1​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67>
734​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85>
15​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=40 height=22>
15.​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202 height=22>Texas Tech
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74 height=22>
9-2​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67 height=22>
636​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85 height=22>
16​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=40 height=21>
16.​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202>Louisville</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74>
9-2​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67>
585​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85>
17​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=40 height=21>
17.​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202>UCLA
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74>
9-2​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67>
531​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85>
11​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=40 height=21>
18.​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202>Florida</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74>
8-3​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67>
530​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85>
18​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=40 height=21>
19.​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202>Boston College</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74>
8-3​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67>
427​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85>
19​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=40 height=21>
20.​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202>http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/acc/fsu.htmWisconsinhttp://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/acc/fsu.htm</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74>
9-3​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67>
399​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85>
20​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=40 height=21>
21.​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202>Michigan</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74>
7-4​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67>
274​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85>
21​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=40 height=21>
22.​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202>Florida State </TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74>
8-4​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67>
256​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85>
NR​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=40 height=21>
23.​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202>Clemson</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74>
7-4​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67>
191​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85>
23​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=40 height=21>
24.​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202></TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74>
7-4​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67>
114​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85>
24​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=40 height=21>
25.​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy width=202>Iowa
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=74>
7-4​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=67>
95​
</TD><TD class=inside-copy align=right width=85>
25​
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy align=right colSpan=6>
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy vAlign=center bgColor=#990000 colSpan=6 height=21>Dropped out</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy colSpan=6>
No. 22 Fresno State (8-4, lost to Louisiana Tech 40-28).


</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy vAlign=center bgColor=#990000 colSpan=6 height=21>Others receiving votes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=inside-copy colSpan=6>
Oklahoma (7-4) 45; Boise State (9-3) 26; Northwestern (7-4) 24; South Carolina (7-4) 20; Minnesota (7-4) 7; Tulsa (8-4) 7; Fresno State (8-4) 5; Nevada (8-3) 5; Iowa State (7-4) 3; Nebraska (7-4) 2; California (7-4) 1; Rutgers (7-4) 1; Toledo (8-3) 1.
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
 
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