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Tom Herman (Former Head Coach FAU Owls)

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jlb1705 said:
I still have confidence in Coach Herman. He had a bad game. It happens. He's still a young coach and sharpening his skills, his eye and his judgement.

I think he called a game last night that looked better in theory than in practice. I think he recognized what MSU was doing in terms of scheme and called for plays and formations that should have countered those things. I think where things went wrong is that MSU's players made some great individual and team plays to overcome play calls that should have worked for Ohio State. Conversely, Ohio State did some things that in theory probably shouldn't have worked, but because players made great individual and team plays to overcome it they were able to succeed. The plays that should have worked in theory didn't and the plays that shouldn't have worked did. When the chips were down, I think he trusted theory and scheme instead of his players that were making plays and getting the results in spite of what MSU was trying to do to stop them.

I can't help but think of the anecdote that Meyer has from when he was a position coach at ND, where he had a player crying because he wasn't getting the ball and he could have helped his team win. Meyer says he resolved that he would go out of his way to make sure his best players always touched the ball. I think him and Herman got away from that last night. It's a tough way to get a reminder about one of your core principles.
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Good post. Maybe Herman out-thought himself, but I'm disappointed that at some point, he didn't realize that OSU was gashing MSU with Hyde up the middle. The only time Hyde was stopped is when his own offensive coordinator did it to him. Narduzzi and Dantonio came up with a good game plan last night; that said, they should feel really fortunate that OSU stopped Hyde, because MSU wasn't able to do it.
 
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LitlBuck said:
Also, whatever happened to Wilson? I saw very few misdirection plays and I thought one of the reasons we recruited Wilson was to run jet sweeps or whatever. I guess I would not be too bothered about the play calling but the same thing happened When we played that other teamf rom up north. Even though we won that game Carlos should have run the ball much more or even Jordan Hall.
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I don't think Wilson was going to do a darned thing in that game. The few times they did try him they did try him he was shut down. That MSU defense was too fast, too smart and too disciplined for the type of plays Wilson was best suited for to work.

What did work in the run game was DAVE. I know that's a dirty word around here (and apparently in the press box at certain points last night too) but MSU was getting abused by Hyde running behind pulling guards. Dontre Wilson is not built for that kind of running. It would be like trying to drive a Ferrari through a monster truck course.
 
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LitlBuck said:
Also, whatever happened to Wilson? I saw very few misdirection plays and I thought one of the reasons we recruited Wilson was to run jet sweeps or whatever. I guess I would not be too bothered about the play calling but the same thing happened When we played that other teamf rom up north. Even though we won that game Carlos should have run the ball much more or even Jordan Hall.
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We saw that pattern all year. If the games were close, Wilson won't get very many touches.
 
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jlb1705 said:
I don't think Wilson was going to do a darned thing in that game. The few times they did try him they did try him he was shut down. That MSU defense was too fast, too smart and too disciplined for the type of plays Wilson was best suited for to work.

What did work in the run game was DAVE. I know that's a dirty word around here (and apparently in the press box last night too) but MSU was getting abused by Hyde running behind pulling guards. Dontre Wilson is not built for that kind of running. It would be like trying to drive a Ferrari through a monster truck course.
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Feel like I am beating a dead horse. I did not say that Wilson should run between the tackles. I do not think that I saw Wilson as even a decoy last night. Not that it would have done any good.
 
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NFBuck said:
Agreed. Honestly, I thought he did a pretty damn solid job until that 3rd/4th down sequence. A couple of those deep shots that he called were there, they just weren't executed. One of those connects, it's likely a totally different ballgame. In fact, IIRC, one would have put tOSU up 2 scores.
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My frustrations with not utilizing Hyde go back to the very beginning of the game. It was clear from the start that they were not going to stop him, and they allowed MSU to establish momentum (and subsequently, a lead) because of what they weren't able to accomplish on first and second downs on their early possessions.
 
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jlb1705 said:
My frustrations with not utilizing Hyde go back to the very beginning of the game. It was clear from the start that they were not going to stop him, and they allowed MSU to establish momentum (and subsequently, a lead) because of what they weren't able to accomplish on first and second downs on their early possessions.
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Agreed. OSU didn't score the first few times it had the ball and went down 17-0 in part because the play-calling was hamstringing the offense. Instead of running Hyde up the middle for 5-7 yards on first down, OSU was throwing incomplete passes or completing screens for little to no gain. That set up 2nd (and then 3rd) and long, playing right into MSU's hands.
 
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OHSportsFan said:
And that's where I'll disagree with both of them.

Hyde is the best player.
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Hyde behind that offensive line. No team stopped it all year, not even MSU's supposedly great rushing defense. In that article it says Hyde never got less than 2 yards in any of his carries last night, and over 60% of his carries went for 5+. That's beast mode. He was the ticket to the win last night, and for whatever reason, Herman didn't realize it.
 
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To expand on my Hyde=best player comment-

I just still don't see it with Braxton being able to build a complete gameplan around. He's an amazing runner. Phenomenal athlete. But he still makes bad reads. And still isn't a "passer." He can certainly throw the rock, but that "passing" capability to really analyze and pick apart a D? No. Not close. He still gets real shaken, badly. Troy was a tactician. Surgical. Braxton is pure athlete.

Hyde was the steadiest freaking force in all of football and they took it out of his hands. Just so so disappointing.

This offense, with the field position they got, had a chance to win the game and I think Herman blew it.
 
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We're already talking Head Coaching gigs for this guy? I'm not buying it.

Maybe after a few WILDLY successful season with Ohio State.

I seem to remember this hire and thought to myself, great we still have potential for the deep threat. Fast forward two years and they completed maybe 4-6 BIG plays through the air? That's not acceptable for a coordinator who prides themselves on the spread.

When after two years, your best play is still DAVE left or DAVE right, AS A SPREAD COORDINATOR. You aren't doing something right.

Credit where it's due (Hyde), but my opinion is Herman isn't performing at the level he should be...

EDIT: please spare me the offensive scoring records as counter argument. I will not take it seriously.
 
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