To CCG or not to CCG (split from college playoff thread)

[Lockup]

LOL, people never talk about the SEC in conference schedule because it is a given that it is tough. I would say LSU has 2 rent-a-win teams every year. On top of our normal sec schedule, we grab up one BCS conference OOC team. Last few years, Arizona, Arizona State, Virginia Tech...

your right nobody knocks SEC inconfernce games but I have heard plenty of people complain about the cream puffs many SEC teams schedule for OOC.

 

[buckiprof]

Simple question. What year did the Big Ten get it wrong?

You keep flapping your mouth about how badly it sucks. Point out where the system failed. It sure better be close to how often the b12 system fails.

Hey there SELUTiger....when are you going to answer this question?

 

[Nutriaitch]

You mean with teams like La Tech and Tulane??

Um, this might not be the best year to knock our OOC schedule. (I know most years, OSU schedules stronger OOC than we do).

We have this thing called a "tie-breaker" which decides who represents the conference as our champion in the event of two or more teams finishing with the same conference record in first place.

Question about this one for y'all. Obviously, it didn't happen this year, but it could have.

What happens if both Iowa and OSU went 12-0 this year, and didn't play each other. Who goes to the Rose Bowl (or BCS CG)?

 

[Lockup]

Question about this one for y'all. Obviously, it didn't happen this year, but it could have.

What happens if both Iowa and OSU went 12-0 this year, and didn't play each other. Who goes to the Rose Bowl (or BCS CG)?

Well first we would not decide who goes to the BCS CG. I guess if you mean for some reason niether team was ranked 1 or 2 (which is unlikely) then it is decided by the Big ten who goes to the Rose bowl which has happened in past years. I can't remember who actually votes on it though.

 

[Tigertracker]

your right nobody knocks SEC inconfernce games but I have heard plenty of people complain about the cream puffs many SEC teams schedule for OOC.

I can't speak for the other SEC teams, but in LSU's case we have a hard time getting any quality teams to schedule us and believe me, we have tried. Few teams are willing to play OOC teams that may beat them. The sad fact is that this is not going to change unless there is much more weight given to strength of schedule in determining NC, bowls,etc. Too many pollsters are hung up on won/loss numbers and it prevents a lot of really good matchups from ever being scheduled. In the last few years we have scheduled a different instate school each year. I am not in favor of it, but it does help out the state and both schools benifit financially, but it does knock down the SOS. As far as knocking the SEC OOC schedule though, the SOS that they already play is high enough in most cases. This year for example, about 7 or 8 SEC teams had top 20 SOS ratings. I doubt that any other conference comes close to that.

 

[Lockup]

I can't speak for the other SEC teams, but in LSU's case we have a hard time getting any quality teams to schedule us and believe me, we have tried. Few teams are willing to play OOC teams that may beat them. The sad fact is that this is not going to change unless there is much more weight given to strength of schedule in determining NC, bowls,etc. Too many pollsters are hung up on won/loss numbers and it prevents a lot of really good matchups from ever being scheduled. In the last few years we have scheduled a different instate school each year. I am not in favor of it, but it does help out the state and both schools benifit financially, but it does knock down the SOS. As far as knocking the SEC OOC schedule though, the SOS that they already play is high enough in most cases. This year for example, about 7 or 8 SEC teams had top 20 SOS ratings. I doubt that any other conference comes close to that.

Lsu is a good team but please don't give this "we can't schedule better OOC games because nobody wants to play us" nonsense.

Since 2002 LSU has lost 15 games. In that same time OSU has lost 10. Yet OSU has not seemed to have a problem scheduling Home and Home games against Texas, USC, Oklahoma, Cali, Miami (FL) and va tech.

I doubt there are that many teams that are so much more afraid to play you then us and yet we managed to schedule some quailty OOC for the next 10 years.

and I was waiting to see how long the "Our conference is so tough we don't need to schedule tough OOC games" excuse came in too.

 

[Nutriaitch]

Well first we would not decide who goes to the BCS CG.

Yeah, I should have thought of that one on my own.

I guess if you mean for some reason niether team was ranked 1 or 2 (which is unlikely) then it is decided by the Big ten who goes to the Rose bowl which has happened in past years. I can't remember who actually votes on it though.

Someone in this thread (don't remember who) gave the example of UT, UGA, and LSU all having identical records, but neither UT nor UGA playing LSU. Only one of the two gets to play LSU in the SEC CG, and the other hasa legit beef about not getting a shot at them. How is that any different than the scenario I suggested for the Big Ten?

The better scenario to suggest would have been OSU and Iowa each finish 11-1, each lost to the same team, on the road, by similar margins. Neither team is in the top 2 (so that eliminates the BCS CG possibility), and only 1 of the 2 is getting a bid to a BCS game. One of the 2 schools is getting fucked outta big money, and National spotlight.

 

[Lockup]

Someone in this thread (don't remember who) gave the example of UT, UGA, and LSU all having identical records, but neither UT nor UGA playing LSU. Only one of the two gets to play LSU in the SEC CG, and the other hasa legit beef about not getting a shot at them. How is that any different than the scenario I suggested for the Big Ten?

The better scenario to suggest would have been OSU and Iowa each finish 11-1, each lost to the same team, on the road, by similar margins. Neither team is in the top 2 (so that eliminates the BCS CG possibility), and only 1 of the 2 is getting a bid to a BCS game. One of the 2 schools is getting fucked outta big money, and National spotlight.

your right our system is not perfect either but both do have their problems. Persoanlly I like the PAC-10 where every team plays each other but I suppose they could have the same problem there too.

 

[methomps]

I understand what is being said, but by that logic just give the Pats the superbowl ring now, end of story, no playoff necessary... Football is to great of a sport for teams to have to DEFEND the status of their national championship like LSU in 2003... It is a bit crazy....

No, by your logic New England should have to play the Bills again to "settle on the field" who is the best team in the AFC East.

 

[Tigertracker]

Lsu is a good team but please don't give this "we can't schedule better OOC games because nobody wants to play us" nonsense.

Since 2002 LSU has lost 15 games. In that same time OSU has lost 10. Yet OSU has not seemed to have a problem scheduling Home and Home games against Texas, USC, Oklahoma, Cali, Miami (FL) and va tech.

I doubt there are that many teams that are so much more afraid to play you then us and yet we managed to schedule some quailty OOC for the next 10 years.

and I was waiting to see how long the "Our conference is so tough we don't need to schedule tough OOC games" excuse came in too.

Texas will not play us, we have tried many times, we had a home and home with USC a few years back, talks are going on with Oklahoma now, we had Miami a few years ago and we completed a home and home with Va. tech this year. As far as the conference being tough, OSU is the winner of your conference, playing everyone in your conference, yet there are at least 8 SEC teams with a stronger SOS ranking than yours while playing only a portion of the SEC teams. Do you really think we need an excuse?

 

[methomps]

Texas will not play us, we have tried many times, we had a home and home with USC a few years back, talks are going on with Oklahoma now, we had Miami a few years ago and we completed a home and home with Va. tech this year. As far as the conference being tough, OSU is the winner of your conference, playing everyone in your conference, yet there are at least 8 SEC teams with a stronger SOS ranking than yours while playing only a portion of the SEC teams. Do you really think we need an excuse?

If by "a few years ago" you mean the 1980s (84 vs. USC, 88 vs. Miami)

 

[Nutriaitch]

No, by your logic New England should have to play the Bills again to "settle on the field" who is the best team in the AFC East.

Nah, conference, not division. It's quite likely that New England will have to play Indy again though to see wh is the conference champs. Even though the Pats have a better record, and won the head to head already.

 

[bkochmc]

Someone in this thread (don't remember who) gave the example of UT, UGA, and LSU all having identical records, but neither UT nor UGA playing LSU. Only one of the two gets to play LSU in the SEC CG, and the other hasa legit beef about not getting a shot at them. How is that any different than the scenario I suggested for the Big Ten?

The better scenario to suggest would have been OSU and Iowa each finish 11-1, each lost to the same team, on the road, by similar margins. Neither team is in the top 2 (so that eliminates the BCS CG possibility), and only 1 of the 2 is getting a bid to a BCS game. One of the 2 schools is getting fucked outta big money, and National spotlight.

That was me... my point was that 4 out of the 6 BCS conferences have the potential to have doubts as to who the true conference champion is. The SEC had it this year with LSU and Georgia both finishing the regular season 10-2, 6-2 in conference play while not playing each other, yet only LSU has a chance to win the conference because they are in a different division.

As for your Big10 scenario that pretty much happened in 2002. Ohio State finished 13-0, 8-0 in conference and Iowa finished I believe 12-1, 8-0 in conference... obviously they did not play each other. The Big10 crowned them co-champions and both went to BCS bowls (OSU to the Fiesta, Iowa to the Orange). Before the BCS if two teams were tied for the conference championship the team that had been the longest away from the Rose Bowl went to Pasadena... I believe that rule still exists if in the case of a tie and one of the champions does not go to the BCS NC game.

Just like the SEC it would be highly unlikely for two 11-1 Big10 teams to be shut out of the BCS. With 10 BCS spots it is almost a certainty that both the SEC and Big10 are good enough to have two teams in the BCS.

 

[methomps]

Nah, conference, not division. It's quite likely that New England will have to play Indy again though to see wh is the conference champs. Even though the Pats have a better record, and won the head to head already.

College conferences are much more comparable to NFL divisions than to the AFC or the NFC.

 

[Nutriaitch]

College conferences are much more comparable to NFL divisions than to the AFC or the NFC.

12 teams in SEC
16 teams in AFC
closer than
12 in SEC
4 in AFC East