To CCG or not to CCG (split from college playoff thread)

[Jaxbuck]

Yes because the SEC gets screwed many years because the population centers get the nod over the south. 2004 Auburn team would have SMOKED USC.

I happen to agree that the 2004 Auburn team should have been 1/2 NC's.

That said I'm unclear on the population center bit.

 

[Mike80]

Actually I do know that...

Sure you didn't....

Which is why you said:

Then i suggest the top 5 oregon team stop relying on the French judges and get in a conference that decides it on the field.

They already do dumbass.....

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Co-championships suck... I wish the Big 10, PAC 10, and BIG EAST had a conference championship game.

We have this thing called a "tie-breaker" which decides who represents the conference as our champion in the event of two or more teams finishing with the same conference record in first place. Also, conference games don't always "decide" the "real" conference champion. Take for example the Big 12. In 2005, Texas finished 8-0 in the conference and had already destroyed their conference title game opponent Colorado, who was a weak 5-3 in conference, 42-17 six weeks earlier. So why did an 8-0 Texas have to replay a 5-3 team they pummeled just six weeks earlier? To show how just much bullshit it was, they promptly went out and totally obliterated them, 70-3. There was absolutely no need at all for that game. Texas was clearly head-and-shoulders above everyone in their conference (and they further proved it by beating "unbeatable" USC for the national title). What if Vince Young had got hurt in that meaningless game? The Big 12 could've fucked themselves right out of a national title...

 

[sluTiger]

Sure you didn't....

Which is why you said:



They already do dumbass.....

Humm, I guess football teams never get better as the season progresses in college. The team you play in August is the same team you play in Dec?? Humm... Oregon played all the PAC10 teams the year FSU got the ACC bid?

 

[sluTiger]

We have this thing called a "tie-breaker" which decides who represents the conference as our champion in the event of two or more teams finishing with the same conference record in first place. Also, conference games don't always "decide" the "real" conference champion. Take for example the Big 12. In 2005, Texas finished 8-0 in the conference and had already destroyed their conference title game opponent Colorado, who was a weak 5-3 in conference, 42-17 six weeks earlier. So why did an 8-0 Texas have to replay a 5-3 team they pummeled just six weeks earlier? To show how just much bullshit it was, they promptly went out and totally obliterated them, 70-3. There was absolutely no need at all for that game. Texas was clearly head-and-shoulders above everyone in their conference (and they further proved it by beating "unbeatable" USC for the national title). What if Vince Young had got hurt in that meaningless game? The Big 12 could've fucked themselves right out of a national title...

I understand what is being said, but by that logic just give the Pats the superbowl ring now, end of story, no playoff necessary... Football is to great of a sport for teams to have to DEFEND the status of their national championship like LSU in 2003... It is a bit crazy....

 

[jwinslow]

Simple question. What year did the Big Ten get it wrong?

You keep flapping your mouth about how badly it sucks. Point out where the system failed. It sure better be close to how often the b12 system fails.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I understand what is being said, but by that logic just give the Pats the superbowl ring now, end of story, no playoff necessary... Football is to great of a sport for teams to have to DEFEND the status of their national championship like LSU in 2003... It is a bit crazy....

There is a thread for a CFB playoff if you want to take it there. I don't see what this has to do with our game.

 

[Mike80]

Humm, I guess football teams never get better as the season progresses in college. The team you play in August is the same team you play in Dec?? Humm... Oregon played all the PAC10 teams the year FSU got the ACC bid?

I don't care if they get better or not, if they couldn't beat the team on the field that's on them.....

and in 2005, no they didn't (that rule didn't come into effect until 2006 for the Pac 10) but that Oregon team lost to USC who was, given your stupid "it isn't the same team in September as it is in December formula" easily the best team in the nation at the time.

Please please please please start going into transitives......

For the record, FSU won the ACC championship and turned around to lose to Penn State, the slowest of the slow teams So much for southern speed.....

 

[methomps]

Then i suggest the top 5 oregon team stop relying on the French judges and get in a conference that decides it on the field. I am surprised that a conference as good as the big 10 and pac 10 are not willing to go into a playoff type system.

So a system where every team plays every other team isn't deciding it on the field? I think that term officialy has no meaning nowadays.

 

[bkochmc]

Then i suggest the top 5 oregon team stop relying on the French judges and get in a conference that decides it on the field. I am surprised that a conference as good as the big 10 and pac 10 are not willing to go into a playoff type system.

I have one other scenario why a CCG isn't superior to what the Big10, Pac10, and BE are doing that has not yet been mentioned... I'll use the SEC for your familiarity.

SEC East: Georgia and Tennessee both go 7-1 in the conference and 11-1 overall. Tennessee beats Georgia early in the season and goes to the CCG.
SEC West: LSU goes 7-1 in the conference and 11-1 overall. LSU does not play UT or UGA in the regular season.
CCG: LSU beats Tennessee. LSU crowned conference champion though they had the same record as Georgia (before the CCG) and had no head-to-head to differentiate them. As a Georgia fan I'm feeling pissed since my team is left out in the cold with no chance for my team to prove themselves against LSU.

If UT's record would have been 10-2 this exact scenario would have happened this year. As a fan you can't tell me that UGA isn't as deserving as LSU since there was no head-to-head match up. I do not say this to illegitimize LSU's conference championship because they earned it based on how the SEC is set up but from an outside viewer there is that possibility to see where UGA has a gripe.

The Pac10 and BE have built-in tie breakers with head-to-head results... they are the only two conferences that can truly say they have a unanimous conference champion every single year. The other 4 BCS conferences all have scenarios where there could be some kind of doubt.

 

[methomps]

I have one other scenario why a CCG isn't superior to what the Big10, Pac10, and BE are doing that has not yet been mentioned... I'll use the SEC for your familiarity.

SEC East: Georgia and Tennessee both go 7-1 in the conference and 11-1 overall. Tennessee beats Georgia early in the season and goes to the CCG.
SEC West: LSU goes 7-1 in the conference and 11-1 overall. LSU does not play UT or UGA in the regular season.
CCG: LSU beats Tennessee. LSU crowned conference champion though they had the same record as Georgia (before the CCG) and had no head-to-head to differentiate them. As a Georgia fan I'm feeling pissed since my team is left out in the cold with no chance for my team to prove themselves against LSU.

If UT's record would have been 10-2 this exact scenario would have happened this year. As a fan you can't tell me that UGA isn't as deserving as LSU since there was no head-to-head match up. I do not say this to illegitimize LSU's conference championship because they earned it based on how the SEC is set up but from an outside viewer there is that possibility to see where UGA has a gripe.

The Pac10 and BE have built-in tie breakers with head-to-head results... they are the only two conferences that can truly say they have a unanimous conference champion every single year. The other 4 BCS conferences all have scenarios where there could be some kind of doubt.

Here's another one:

B12 North: Mizzou beats Kansas. Mizzou loses to OU and Texas. Kansas doesn't play OU or Texas, instead beating TTech, Baylor, and OSU

Kansas gets to go to the CCG because they benefited from the unbalanced schedule.

 

[Lockup]

No 50+ day layoffs and kill the myth that the Big 10 teams pads their schedule with rent-a-wins so they can play for the NC.

SEC has a CG it doesn't seem to do anything to deter people from talking about SEC teams OOC schedule.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Here's another one:

B12 North: Mizzou beats Kansas. Mizzou loses to OU and Texas. Kansas doesn't play OU or Texas, instead beating TTech, Baylor, and OSU

Kansas gets to go to the CCG because they benefited from the unbalanced schedule.

[spit tobacca]Fuck all that fancy double talk, everyone knows its a media plot to get the big population center teams like Kansas in the CCG's.[wipe mouth w/sleeve]

 

[sluTiger]

SEC has a CG it doesn't seem to do anything to deter people from talking about SEC teams OOC schedule.

LOL, people never talk about the SEC in conference schedule because it is a given that it is tough. I would say LSU has 2 rent-a-win teams every year. On top of our normal sec schedule, we grab up one BCS conference OOC team. Last few years, Arizona, Arizona State, Virginia Tech...

 

[Lockup]

Humm, I guess football teams never get better as the season progresses in college. The team you play in August is the same team you play in Dec?? Humm... Oregon played all the PAC10 teams the year FSU got the ACC bid?

Your right every team should have to play every other team twice a year just in case some team gets better as the year goes along. wait maybe we should make it three becuase some teams might be slow to get better.

I understand what is being said, but by that logic just give the Pats the superbowl ring now, end of story, no playoff necessary... Football is to great of a sport for teams to have to DEFEND the status of their national championship like LSU in 2003... It is a bit crazy....

What he is saying has nothing to do with the NFL setup. Why would you crown the Pats champs now? First they don't play everybdoy and the NFL has this little thing missing from CFB called a playoff to determine the winner. there is no playoff in any confeerence to determine a winner in CFB and there is no CCG in and NFL conference either.