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Tim Tebow (Blessed)

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I think it's baseless to have this conversation when he hasn't even played his final year of college ball yet. Can he lead an undefeated regular season and cap it with a good performance in the title game? Then come talk to me about greatest ever.
 
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Gatorubet;1502778; said:
I thought you led the nation in fewest point allowed that year. I remember your D being very well thought of by the media.
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I'd still like to have seen what it could have done should it have been called upon to pressure Chris Leak into his career pattern of backbreaking TO's.

The coaching staff got its ass kicked in that game worse than the players on the field did. :!
 
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Gatorubet;1502778; said:
I thought you led the nation in fewest point allowed that year. I remember your D being very well thought of by the media.
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I dare say a product of a decent defense, a fairly week schedule, a great offense, and some lucky bounces here and there.
 
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Gatorubet;1502778; said:
I thought you led the nation in fewest point allowed that year. I remember your D being very well thought of by the media.
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Michigan smoked our D worse than Florida did... it just was overshadowed by the dominating UF D. Garrett Wolfe ran wild on OSU, it just didn't matter because the game was over in about 5-10 regulation minutes.

It was a solid D that was much better with a lead where they could attack. It was not in the same galaxy as OSU's 2005 or 2003 defenses, let alone the epic 2002 D.

OSU 06 would get Glendaled by OSU 02 & 05. They'd get Nawlinsed by OSU 03 & 04 (if it were a bowl). They'd beat OSU 07, and have a tough game vs OSU 08.
 
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OSU was a bit soft in 06 and a number of teams ran right down their throat. Their best two LBs were very young (JL/MF). Their third LB was mediocre (Kerr), and split time with a frosh (Homan).

Their safety play was very suspect. Their best safety, Russell, was lost on a cheapshot vs Iowa. That left Mitchell & O'Neal as OSUs safeties, both which were easy to exploit. O'Neal was a special teamer the following two years.

To make matters worse, one of OSU's starting CBs was also very limited. Antonio Smith was a tough, smart former walkon, but not particularly athletic. He was a classic overachiever, blue-collar, feel-good story. But that left OSU with three liabilities in coverage, and the other two were sophomores, both as first year "starters" (Washington would rotate in as the #2 cb in nickel formations).


There were plenty of excuses for the way the D played. There were no excuses for that offense, even after Ginn was hurt and UF's safeties crept into the box. No excuse for the tackle play, or feeding into UF's strength. No excuse for taking the ball away from a rumbling Pittman. It was a bizarro world that night, completely different from LSU.
 
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jwinslow;1502718; said:
I'm not sure anything that encompasses over a century of athletes is 'obvious'
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Saying Jim Brown is one of the NFL's top RBs ever--encompassing a period of well over 50 years--is obvious. Timeframe has no bearing on whether or not something is obvious.
 
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jwinslow;1502805; said:
OSU 06 would get Glendaled by OSU 02 & 05. They'd get Nawlinsed by OSU 03 & 04 (if it were a bowl). They'd beat OSU 07, and have a tough game vs OSU 08.
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OSU 2004, if it were a Bowl, wouldn't have TS and wouldn't Newalins the '06 team imo.

Better question is The Game OSU '04 vs The Game OSU '06 who wins? I gotta take '06.

I'm with you on the rest.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1502816; said:
Saying Jim Brown is one of the NFL's top RBs ever--encompassing a period of well over 50 years--is obvious. Timeframe has no bearing on whether or not something is obvious.
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I'm not sure it's 'obvious' that he's a top-5 player, regardless of position. Many would say yes, others would leave him out. Either way, I'll rephrase.

I don't think it's obvious that only 4 or less cfb players have ever been better than Tebow, given the quantity & quality of stars over the years. With another title and stellar 09 campaign, I think that might change.
 
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jwinslow;1502819; said:
I'm not sure it's 'obvious' that he's a top-5 player, regardless of position. Many would say yes, others would leave him out. Either way, I'll rephrase.

I don't think it's obvious that only 4 or less cfb players have ever been better than Tebow, given the quantity & quality of stars over the years. With another title and stellar 09 campaign, I think that might change.
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I do think a title today is worth more than a title in the past. Then it was mostly powerhouses against gimmie wins. A Bama win today is more impressive than a Bama win when Bear recruited guys just to keep them from playing for his rivals and brought over a hundred guys on the travelling squad.
 
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The Tebow discussion is an interesting one in terms of how great "great" really is. I don't think there can ever be a "Greatest of All-Time" (except for the player that makes Gary Danielson change his underwear the most times during a game, Tebow has that one locked down), given the differences in eras, and competition levels, and equipment, and any number of other things.

That said, players who are considered to be among the greatest of all time are usually only truly thought of that way as time passes. Example: I saw two really fucking good running backs at Oklahoma State in my lifetime. But Thurman Thomas is remembered as a very, very good college player who went on to have an NFL HOF career. Worthy praise, but he isn't nearly on par with Barry Sanders, who along with being remembered as one of the greatest NFL players of all-time is remembered as one of the greatest collegiate players of all-time. Colt McCoy will go down as one of the great Texas QBs, one of the great players of the "oughts", and still has a chance at a Heisman. However, he will not, I don't think, ever be in the same discussion as Vince Young, who didn't win a Heisman but is considered one of the great college QBs of all-time.

Point being the jury is still out on Tebow's full place in history, despite what the outright haters and the media masturbators would have you believe. He's won a Heisman...then again, Gino Torretta and Andre Ware did that. He's won a NC, but then again Krentzel did that, and although I love him by God for it, he isn't Vince Young. And Schaeffer only completed 6 passes for Penn State in 1986 too. He's won a Heisman AND a NC, but then again Eric Crouch did that, and he isn't exactly filling out the rosters of all-time teams. My opinion is that Tebow has proven himself to be WAY better than those players already, but my point is there isn't a specific accomplishment, or a combination thereof, that one can point to and say he's the GOAT. But make no mistake about it, if his senior year goes the way it looks like it will, he will be in the conversation with Sanders and Archie and Vince Young and the rest...and he will belong there. But I don't think he does just yet.
 
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I do think a title today is worth more than a title in the past. Then it was mostly powerhouses against gimmie wins. A Bama win today is more impressive than a Bama win when Bear recruited guys just to keep them from playing for his rivals and brought over a hundred guys on the travelling squad.
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But how much is one worth over two programs that choke? :p No, don't take the bait, just funnin.
 
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