Sorta was. I remember Mich.St. playcalling two years ago. Opened up in 2014, then back into it's shell this year. Herman was 1-1.
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Sorta was. I remember Mich.St. playcalling two years ago. Opened up in 2014, then back into it's shell this year. Herman was 1-1.
Pass pro was dreadful.
Playcalling was weak.
Perimeter blocking was terrible, later replaced by mediocre.
Passing accuracy was dreadful, later replaced with mediocre.
Considering the pattern is continuing without Herman, folks need to shift their gaze to the actual head playcaller.
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bigdog3300
The G.O.A.T.
Where is the argument? There is 0 doubt that the most responsible is the OC and I've been in favor of reassigning Beck to solely QB coach so hopefully he finds greener pastures elsewhere.
With that said, the moral of my point was that some fans have totally unrealistic expectations. When we are digging back 8 years to find a similarly bad offensive game, things are going pretty well. The MSU game was pathetic both from a game planning view and execution, don't think anyone here is going to argue that. I just think the outrageous response by Wham that now Urban has his most important crossroads decision of his career in hiring a new OC is just an ever so slight overreaction.
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I dont want beck coaching QBs either. They both got worse in his time here. His track record at Nebraska doesnt show me anything to think this was an anomaly.
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bigdog3300
The G.O.A.T.
I'd agree but I think demotion to QB coach will be enough of a push to have him looking elsewhere to save face and make it appear as a mutual decision.
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ShowMeBuck
You know what? Chicken butt.
Meaning Urb right? If that's what you mean I think it's a great point. When not feeling confident (in the playcallers ability, in the weather, etc etc) Urb goes far too conservative. And he's the kind of guy who defenitely self evaluates.
When he says something is his fault, like after the Sparty loss this year everyone assumes he's 100% taking the flack for his staff when the reality is, like any great leader he knows it's a little of both. Partly on him and partly on the staff.
His mantra is always "we don't blame, complain and point fingers" and I respect that immensely. Having said that, follow the chain of events after the previous Sparty loss- Urb seemed to trust TH more and things improved (although there are a ton of other factors that came into the improvement). So, where does that leave us? Totally in the dark with regards to Urbs thoughts about Beck.
But, clearly he is on the clock. He's going to have to show Urb that he can handle it before Urb will hand over the reigns like he ultimately needs to. Coach Ed moving to the box doesn't bode well for this as a litmus test. Example 2 will be the bowl game although I believe Urb has already stated that it will again be the case.
What I suspect is that Urb will really lean on Coach Eds opinion here w/ regards to feedback on how helpful of an "assistant" Beck is to coach Ed. And I suspect he will be watching him closely during bowl practice. But to think the Sparty loss itself is 100% on Beck is a mistake.
I suspect Urb has a hard time seeing someone failing to win with the chess pieces he helped create and when he sees it happening he takes back control (too conservatively) and plays from a defensive - guard your king at all costs - mentality. And that's why we lost to Sparty.
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Watkins Memorial HS needs an entire new football staff (don't even get me started)...come on down mr beck!.............................on second thought......never mind
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BigWoof31
"Barkin' up the wrong tree"
FWIW - Florida experienced a similar regression after Dan Mullen left the staff to take the MSU job.
Steve Addazio took over (with Tebow still at the helm) and built a much more plodding, dive focused offense.
Outsiders figured that the change was based more on the loss of Percy Harvin than anything else. But UF insiders and Gator backers focused their ire on the new OC.
I wish Ubet were still around these parts. I'd imagine he'd have input.
Steve Addazio took over (with Tebow still at the helm) and built a much more plodding, dive focused offense.
Outsiders figured that the change was based more on the loss of Percy Harvin than anything else. But UF insiders and Gator backers focused their ire on the new OC.
I wish Ubet were still around these parts. I'd imagine he'd have input.
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ShowMeBuck
You know what? Chicken butt.
True. But whose offense is it? Answer: Urbs. He has said he specifically doesn't hire an OC to come in and install their own style. He wants someone to come in an implement his vision. The thing is, it's still a collaboration and you aren't getting the keys as the primary driver unless you prove yourself. It didn't happen immediately with TH either. When it did, it took off. It hasn't happened yet w/ Beck and may never. Hard to say.
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We still scored 52+ points four times and averaged over 37 ppg in Herman's first season as OC. And Herman inherited a 6-7 team that averaged under 29 ppg, while Beck inherited the defending national champions who averaged almost 45 ppg. There's no real comparison here...
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