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A couple of thoughts on the above posts: first, Piney.

Ohio State did not use the government to be named the state's flagship university. It would have been quite a feat though, as Ohio State didn't exist when that decision was made. Conversely, the decision was actually the catalyst to establish Ohio State in the first place. The Fredo brothers wanted the designation and they lobbied vigorously for it. Both, however, were denied. They were viewed as borderline religious colleges that had done little in their sixty years of existence to provide Ohio with a proper state university as institutions in other Great Lakes states had. That Ohio was the only Great Lakes state not to designate an existing university for this role speaks volumes as to how Ohio's two existing public universities were viewed by the Governor, the legislature and Ohio's business leadership.

The Eagleson Bill of 1906 merely codified the decisions of forty years prior. That Ohio State had built up more than enough momentum in its first forty years to justify the Eagleson Bill is no better illustrated than by the fact that within ten years, it was offered an invitation to the Association of American Universities before universities such as North Carolina, Texas, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Case (not until 1969), Purdue, MIT or Cal Tech.

If you want to read an unbiased and knowledgeable outsider's opinion of Ohio's three public universities at the turn of the century, below is a 1909 letter from Thomas Pritchett of the Carnegie Foundation to Ohio Governor Judson Harmon explaining the reasons why Ohio's application to have its college professors included in the Foundation's pension plan was being denied.

The Ohio State University has attempted to set satisfactory standards and to establish an acceptable procedure for evaluating high schools and their preparatory programs. All is to no avail, however, because the Ohio and Miami universities are not obliged to follow a similar course.....

The Ohio State University may fairly be called a university, but Ohio and Miami are certainly not university grade institutions. If Ohio State University could be relieved of the pressures created by the latter two, then Ohio might find itself the proud possessor of a university like the one in Wisconsin.....

Thanks, Fredo.
 
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And adding a little bit to cincibuck's great post.

Prior to the 1960s, most Big Ten schools had moderate admissions criteria no different than Ohio State's (Michigan being an obvious exception). Most kids in the Great Lakes not possessing a solid college prep record, simply went to work in factories or on farms. While there were some admissions standards in place at Ohio State and other Big Ten schools, admissions for the first half of the century were to a degree self-selective for most Big Ten schools. In the 1950s, this changed. With the impending baby boom enrollment bubble coming, most Big Ten schools began to formally institute a selective admissions process and crank up those standards so as to be able to manage the expected enrollment increases with an eye to both quantity and quality, and Ohio State was among them with plans on the books by the late 50s to make this jump with their peers in the Big Ten. In 1962, Ohio elected a populist Governor by the name of Jim Rhodes who had flunked out of Ohio State his freshman year, and things took a drastic turn.

It wasn't just Fredo of Ohio president Shriver. Rhodes named former Fredo of Ohio president Millett to be the first chair of the board of regents. They teamed up with FredOU president Alden to do one of the great hatchet jobs in the history of American higher education.

Regarding the admissions issue, it's not my understanding that OU ever really benefited the way that Miami of Ohio did. I think this was a plum that Millett and Shriver kept for themselves. Also, Miami of Ohio was never specifically allowed to be selective. They were in theory just as open admission as Ohio State. Shriver had the idea to backdoor Fredo's way into selectivity by not building enough dorm space to accommodate the exploding baby boom enrollment, and his Fredo brother Millett never forced him to request the necessary construction funds to build those dorms. Fredo built some dorms because they needed the increased enrollment for funding, but they never built nearly enough dorms to accommodate their applicant pool as Ohio State was forced to do. Meanwhile, Millett and Rhodes were talking about forcing Ohio State to grow to 100K students and plans were on the books for several more towers to be located on West Campus.

In addition to derailing Ohio State's plans to crank up selectivity in accordance with what other Big Ten schools were doing in anticipation of the impending baby boom enrollment, they convinced Rhodes to scrap Ohio's funding model for higher education. For almost a century, Ohio State had been funded under a separate appropriations bill as the system's flagship. The "four fingers campuses" (OU, of Ohio, KSU and BG) were funded under a second bill and according to different parameters. Rhodes instituted a ridiculous model that was based solely on head count. In other words, a commuter student at Kent State was funded the same amount as a residential undergraduate at Ohio's only AAU member university. It was akin to funding Cal-Berkeley and Cal State Hayward in an equal manner.

Another thing the Fredo Triumvirate attempted was to dilute and strangle Ohio State by surrounding Columbus with branch campuses. Ohio State's presidents never wanted their branch campuses and only built them in response to The Other State Universities' actions. Even then, they were still lobbying into the 80s for ALL state universities to give them up and fold them into the community college system. FredOU even had a branch campus on the books to be located within Columbus less than 5 miles from Ohio State's campus. It was only scrapped because Ohio State's administration threatened to do away with undergraduate education all together and adapt a doctoral/research only model similar to UC-San Francisco.

Lastly, I think you give Gee too much credit and Ed Jennings too little. Jenning spent a decade undoing the damage that Rhodes had done. In fact, he was already blatantly defying Rhodes and his trustees on admissions even before Rhodes left office in 82. As soon as Celeste's appointees were a majority on Ohio State's board, Rhodes' policies were officially undone. Jennings built the Ferrari, and Gee is getting to take a victory lap in it.
 
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jlb1705;1746809; said:
Ohio A&M is only derogatory to small-minded people. It's a tribute to the university's growth in size and stature and its heritage as Ohio's land grant institution.

They wanna make farm school jokes, but Athens : Ohio :: State College : Pennsylvania. I mean that in the most Pryor-esque way possible.

What I find ironic and illustrative of the idiocy of some of these posters is that they now attempt to use as an insult a designation for which their schools fought tooth and nail but were ultimately rejected.

Even Michigan wanted the Morrill grant designation for Michigan and, after it was awarded to their younger, sister institution, lobbied the Michigan legislature to be allowed to absorb MSU as a branch campus. Even holier than thou Michigan saw the value in being the state's land grant college!

Here's some other A&M colleges that I'm sure mighty and prestigious FredOU looks down their noses at: Cal Berkeley and the rest of the UC system, Wisconsin, Illinois, Purdue, Penn State, Maryland, Texas A&M and Cornell!
 
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MAC Realigns, Ohio U gets no respect

CLEVELAND (AP)?The Mid-American Conference has shifted in football.

With UMass joining the East division in 2012, the league announced Wednesday that Bowling Green has moved to the West division. The alignment, which was approved in a unanimous vote by the MAC?s presidents, is in football only.

UMass will be in the East along with Akron, Buffalo, Kent State, Miami and Temple. Bowling Green?s competition in the West will be Ball State; Central Michigan; Eastern Michigan; Northern Illinois; Toledo and Western Michigan.

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Guess the Bobcats didn't make a lasting impression with winning the MAC East and a bowl win this year. :p
 
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I attended the resident doormat of MAC athletics (Eastern Michigan). Maybe that's why I didn't experience the angst that so many other MAC school attendees tend to have. Gave me a deeper level of hate for all things Ann Arbor though.
 
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Wow, I know it was from over a year ago, but thanks for the history lessons guys. I didn't know what happened with Ohio's higher education in the past 100 or so years. Shows just how far the university has come in such a short amount of time in terms of selectivity. And only looks to be heading up from here!



Go Bucks!
 
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