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The Walking Dead (Official Thread)

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Never really know if anyone will agree with me here, but I thought that episode was incredible. Almost was hoping it would be bad to not get drawn into another season, but it was maybe the best episode I can remember on the show. Really thought they hit this one out of the park from start to finish. Some parts were somewhat predictable, but I thought they changed it up enough to keep it interesting. And I agree that the storyline has not been that great lately, but this episode was fantastic imo.
 
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RB07OSU said:
Never really know if anyone will agree with me here, but I thought that episode was incredible. Almost was hoping it would be bad to not get drawn into another season, but it was maybe the best episode I can remember on the show. Really thought they hit this one out of the park from start to finish. Some parts were somewhat predictable, but I thought they changed it up enough to keep it interesting. And I agree that the storyline has not been that great lately, but this episode was fantastic imo.
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I thought it was very well-acted, and that discussion at the beginning between Rick and Morgan was the first piece of useful dialogue in about 3 seasons. So, on it’s own as a stand-alone, this was one of the better episodes of the 8 seasons I think.

However, it doesn’t exist in a vacuum, and it was to me an underwhelming end to a “war” that went on for over 2 seasons. I suppose I should spoiler saying anything else, so I’ll do that when I have more time tomorrow. But I will say now, the bookends of the last 2 seasons (7-1 and 8-16) were really quite good...which makes it all the more too bad that they fucked so much up in the 30 episodes in between.
 
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Bucklion said:
I thought it was very well-acted, and that discussion at the beginning between Rick and Morgan was the first piece of useful dialogue in about 3 seasons. So, on it’s own as a stand-alone, this was one of the better episodes of the 8 seasons I think.

However, it doesn’t exist in a vacuum, and it was to me an underwhelming end to a “war” that went on for over 2 seasons. I suppose I should spoiler saying anything else, so I’ll do that when I have more time tomorrow. But I will say now, the bookends of the last 2 seasons (7-1 and 8-16) were really quite good...which makes it all the more too bad that they fucked so much up in the 30 episodes in between.
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I hear you. It was a little underwhelming to be sure, but it almost felt authentic because of how subdued it was. Same as Coral's death. I think the whole season was supposed to be "The War." So the quick finish wasn't supposed to be dramatic I think, although I wanted it to be.

I will say that I am really interested to see Negin's inevitable comeback.
 
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So I don’t really know what to make of last night’s episode. Like I said above, as a stand-alone, it was a well-produced episode of TV. I really like the dialogue between Rick and Morgan at the beginning, which like I said was the first useful dialogue in a long time. It just seemed to me to be an underwhelming end to what has been an over-dramatized war. Normally I like subtlety, but after 2+ years…that’s what we got? Bad intel, setting up bad intel, setting up bad intel a 3rd time…then bad bullets? Here’s what we didn’t get:

1- Not a single character of any significance died. None. We all knew Negan wouldn’t because of JDM’s contract…but no Rick or Negan or Michonne or Maggie or Morgan, not Ezekiel or Carol or Jerry, not even a Darryl or Dwight or Tara or Rosita, no Eugene or Father Gabriel or Aaron or Enid or Garbage Lady/Anne the UpUpUp or the Savior who’s now hitting on all the girls by acting like a lost puppy…not even the ugly savior girl with the neck tattoo who turned in Dwight. NO ONE. Fuck even GREGORY lived through this shit. We got the big finale of the greatest war to end all wars…and we got not one casualty. Yeah, not buying it.

2-This whole Negan and Lucille mystique got used…exactly zero fucking times after Glen. Now I get it, those deaths were supposed to stand out…but are we really going to believe that a guy who hot-ironed his own lieutenant was going to use, or shit, going to NEED to use, his weapon of choice exactly ZERO fucking times to keep everyone in line? Or to try and BRING people back in line? There was an entire Walmart of photos at the first outpost of all the skulls he had bashed in, and…all of a sudden it never happened again, even as a group of renegades was basically destroying his army? Yeah, no.

3-Morgan. I thought his exit was shit. Shittly built, shittly done, shittly handled. They wanted to move him to another show, so they came up with a half-assed way to. I have no idea what he’s going to be over there, because I stopped watching FTWD after the horrible beginning of season 2, but the way they handled the departure of the guy with perhaps the most acting ability on the show was atrocious.

The whole Eugene thing was way too telegraphed…I mean they tried to keep some ambiguity in it, but it was just way too obvious that was coming. And I don’t know all that much about guns, but is every single gun going to backfire like that in the same way? Seemed a little odd to me, but I get it I guess.

The one thing that I’m really having trouble processing at the end is Maggie’s final speech. I mean, was she talking about killing Negan? Or doing something to Rick and Michonne too? Because it really seemed like she was acting like Negan there more than Maggie, and that she was planning on doing something to Michonne in front of Rick. Now they had really backed themselves into a corner somewhat because Rick letting him live wasn’t going to be able to play in an active drama like it does in still comic photos…they had to do something with Maggie, because no one would have ever believed that she would be OK with it. But they really made it sound like she wanted a piece of Rick and Michonne, and actually Michonne in particular, which I thought was somewhat weird, considering all she did was hold her. And there sat Jesus, who spent hours convincing Morgan not to kill…and he said nothing? He just sat there? And then here comes Daryl, who JUST LET DWIGHT GO, out of the shadows to say “Yeah, we’ll show them”? Da fuck? There are “whispers” that the Whisperers story line will be sent over to FTWD, so we’re going to get…Alexandria versus the Hilltop? Is that really where they are going?

Also is Dwight disappearing now? Too bad if so, he was actually one of the more interesting characters with a touch at least of acting ability.
 
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Watched at lunch today and was kind of surprised how quickly the episode seemed to move. I'm glad, however they did it, that they're getting rid of Morgan. His whole arc was played out for too long. The Maggie scene at the end was a bit of a surprise and even more surprising was Darryl's appearance and agreement at the end.
 
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So I don’t really know what to make of last night’s episode. Like I said above, as a stand-alone, it was a well-produced episode of TV. I really like the dialogue between Rick and Morgan at the beginning, which like I said was the first useful dialogue in a long time. It just seemed to me to be an underwhelming end to what has been an over-dramatized war. Normally I like subtlety, but after 2+ years…that’s what we got? Bad intel, setting up bad intel, setting up bad intel a 3rd time…then bad bullets? Here’s what we didn’t get:

1- Not a single character of any significance died. None. We all knew Negan wouldn’t because of JDM’s contract…but no Rick or Negan or Michonne or Maggie or Morgan, not Ezekiel or Carol or Jerry, not even a Darryl or Dwight or Tara or Rosita, no Eugene or Father Gabriel or Aaron or Enid or Garbage Lady/Anne the UpUpUp or the Savior who’s now hitting on all the girls by acting like a lost puppy…not even the ugly savior girl with the neck tattoo who turned in Dwight. NO ONE. Fuck even GREGORY lived through this shit. We got the big finale of the greatest war to end all wars…and we got not one casualty. Yeah, not buying it.

2-This whole Negan and Lucille mystique got used…exactly zero fucking times after Glen. Now I get it, those deaths were supposed to stand out…but are we really going to believe that a guy who hot-ironed his own lieutenant was going to use, or shit, going to NEED to use, his weapon of choice exactly ZERO fucking times to keep everyone in line? Or to try and BRING people back in line? There was an entire Walmart of photos at the first outpost of all the skulls he had bashed in, and…all of a sudden it never happened again, even as a group of renegades was basically destroying his army? Yeah, no.

3-Morgan. I thought his exit was shit. Shittly built, shittly done, shittly handled. They wanted to move him to another show, so they came up with a half-assed way to. I have no idea what he’s going to be over there, because I stopped watching FTWD after the horrible beginning of season 2, but the way they handled the departure of the guy with perhaps the most acting ability on the show was atrocious.

The whole Eugene thing was way too telegraphed…I mean they tried to keep some ambiguity in it, but it was just way too obvious that was coming. And I don’t know all that much about guns, but is every single gun going to backfire like that in the same way? Seemed a little odd to me, but I get it I guess.

The one thing that I’m really having trouble processing at the end is Maggie’s final speech. I mean, was she talking about killing Negan? Or doing something to Rick and Michonne too? Because it really seemed like she was acting like Negan there more than Maggie, and that she was planning on doing something to Michonne in front of Rick. Now they had really backed themselves into a corner somewhat because Rick letting him live wasn’t going to be able to play in an active drama like it does in still comic photos…they had to do something with Maggie, because no one would have ever believed that she would be OK with it. But they really made it sound like she wanted a piece of Rick and Michonne, and actually Michonne in particular, which I thought was somewhat weird, considering all she did was hold her. And there sat Jesus, who spent hours convincing Morgan not to kill…and he said nothing? He just sat there? And then here comes Daryl, who JUST LET DWIGHT GO, out of the shadows to say “Yeah, we’ll show them”? Da fuck? There are “whispers” that the Whisperers story line will be sent over to FTWD, so we’re going to get…Alexandria versus the Hilltop? Is that really where they are going?

Also is Dwight disappearing now? Too bad if so, he was actually one of the more interesting characters with a touch at least of acting ability.
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Particularly agree on #2...I know it is grotesque but its the fucking Walking Dead. How in the hell did Lucille never make another appearance? I just figured they were going to use it sparingly so it wouldn't lose its dramatic effect. But zero times? Pretty big waste of potential there.
 
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Bucklion said:
So I don’t really know what to make of last night’s episode. Like I said above, as a stand-alone, it was a well-produced episode of TV. I really like the dialogue between Rick and Morgan at the beginning, which like I said was the first useful dialogue in a long time. It just seemed to me to be an underwhelming end to what has been an over-dramatized war. Normally I like subtlety, but after 2+ years…that’s what we got? Bad intel, setting up bad intel, setting up bad intel a 3rd time…then bad bullets? Here’s what we didn’t get:

1- Not a single character of any significance died. None. We all knew Negan wouldn’t because of JDM’s contract…but no Rick or Negan or Michonne or Maggie or Morgan, not Ezekiel or Carol or Jerry, not even a Darryl or Dwight or Tara or Rosita, no Eugene or Father Gabriel or Aaron or Enid or Garbage Lady/Anne the UpUpUp or the Savior who’s now hitting on all the girls by acting like a lost puppy…not even the ugly savior girl with the neck tattoo who turned in Dwight. NO ONE. Fuck even GREGORY lived through this shit. We got the big finale of the greatest war to end all wars…and we got not one casualty. Yeah, not buying it.

2-This whole Negan and Lucille mystique got used…exactly zero fucking times after Glen. Now I get it, those deaths were supposed to stand out…but are we really going to believe that a guy who hot-ironed his own lieutenant was going to use, or shit, going to NEED to use, his weapon of choice exactly ZERO fucking times to keep everyone in line? Or to try and BRING people back in line? There was an entire Walmart of photos at the first outpost of all the skulls he had bashed in, and…all of a sudden it never happened again, even as a group of renegades was basically destroying his army? Yeah, no.

3-Morgan. I thought his exit was shit. Shittly built, shittly done, shittly handled. They wanted to move him to another show, so they came up with a half-assed way to. I have no idea what he’s going to be over there, because I stopped watching FTWD after the horrible beginning of season 2, but the way they handled the departure of the guy with perhaps the most acting ability on the show was atrocious.

The whole Eugene thing was way too telegraphed…I mean they tried to keep some ambiguity in it, but it was just way too obvious that was coming. And I don’t know all that much about guns, but is every single gun going to backfire like that in the same way? Seemed a little odd to me, but I get it I guess.

The one thing that I’m really having trouble processing at the end is Maggie’s final speech. I mean, was she talking about killing Negan? Or doing something to Rick and Michonne too? Because it really seemed like she was acting like Negan there more than Maggie, and that she was planning on doing something to Michonne in front of Rick. Now they had really backed themselves into a corner somewhat because Rick letting him live wasn’t going to be able to play in an active drama like it does in still comic photos…they had to do something with Maggie, because no one would have ever believed that she would be OK with it. But they really made it sound like she wanted a piece of Rick and Michonne, and actually Michonne in particular, which I thought was somewhat weird, considering all she did was hold her. And there sat Jesus, who spent hours convincing Morgan not to kill…and he said nothing? He just sat there? And then here comes Daryl, who JUST LET DWIGHT GO, out of the shadows to say “Yeah, we’ll show them”? Da fuck? There are “whispers” that the Whisperers story line will be sent over to FTWD, so we’re going to get…Alexandria versus the Hilltop? Is that really where they are going?

Also is Dwight disappearing now? Too bad if so, he was actually one of the more interesting characters with a touch at least of acting ability.
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Didn't the show get a lot of negative blowback from last year's season opener when Negan went Bear Jew on Glen and the Ginger? I wonder if that caused them to drop any further use of Lucille.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Didn't the show get a lot of negative blowback from last year's season opener when Negan went Bear Jew on Glen and the Ginger? I wonder if that caused them to drop any further use of Lucille.
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I am positive that is why. But I also wonder how people get so upset over stuff like that when way worse has been on the show. Personally, I don't think that was nearly as gross as episode 2 and 3, but maybe that is just me.
 
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Bucklion said:
So I don’t really know what to make of last night’s episode. Like I said above, as a stand-alone, it was a well-produced episode of TV. I really like the dialogue between Rick and Morgan at the beginning, which like I said was the first useful dialogue in a long time. It just seemed to me to be an underwhelming end to what has been an over-dramatized war. Normally I like subtlety, but after 2+ years…that’s what we got? Bad intel, setting up bad intel, setting up bad intel a 3rd time…then bad bullets? Here’s what we didn’t get:

1- Not a single character of any significance died. None. We all knew Negan wouldn’t because of JDM’s contract…but no Rick or Negan or Michonne or Maggie or Morgan, not Ezekiel or Carol or Jerry, not even a Darryl or Dwight or Tara or Rosita, no Eugene or Father Gabriel or Aaron or Enid or Garbage Lady/Anne the UpUpUp or the Savior who’s now hitting on all the girls by acting like a lost puppy…not even the ugly savior girl with the neck tattoo who turned in Dwight. NO ONE. Fuck even GREGORY lived through this shit. We got the big finale of the greatest war to end all wars…and we got not one casualty. Yeah, not buying it.

2-This whole Negan and Lucille mystique got used…exactly zero fucking times after Glen. Now I get it, those deaths were supposed to stand out…but are we really going to believe that a guy who hot-ironed his own lieutenant was going to use, or shit, going to NEED to use, his weapon of choice exactly ZERO fucking times to keep everyone in line? Or to try and BRING people back in line? There was an entire Walmart of photos at the first outpost of all the skulls he had bashed in, and…all of a sudden it never happened again, even as a group of renegades was basically destroying his army? Yeah, no.

3-Morgan. I thought his exit was shit. Shittly built, shittly done, shittly handled. They wanted to move him to another show, so they came up with a half-assed way to. I have no idea what he’s going to be over there, because I stopped watching FTWD after the horrible beginning of season 2, but the way they handled the departure of the guy with perhaps the most acting ability on the show was atrocious.

The whole Eugene thing was way too telegraphed…I mean they tried to keep some ambiguity in it, but it was just way too obvious that was coming. And I don’t know all that much about guns, but is every single gun going to backfire like that in the same way? Seemed a little odd to me, but I get it I guess.

The one thing that I’m really having trouble processing at the end is Maggie’s final speech. I mean, was she talking about killing Negan? Or doing something to Rick and Michonne too? Because it really seemed like she was acting like Negan there more than Maggie, and that she was planning on doing something to Michonne in front of Rick. Now they had really backed themselves into a corner somewhat because Rick letting him live wasn’t going to be able to play in an active drama like it does in still comic photos…they had to do something with Maggie, because no one would have ever believed that she would be OK with it. But they really made it sound like she wanted a piece of Rick and Michonne, and actually Michonne in particular, which I thought was somewhat weird, considering all she did was hold her. And there sat Jesus, who spent hours convincing Morgan not to kill…and he said nothing? He just sat there? And then here comes Daryl, who JUST LET DWIGHT GO, out of the shadows to say “Yeah, we’ll show them”? Da fuck? There are “whispers” that the Whisperers story line will be sent over to FTWD, so we’re going to get…Alexandria versus the Hilltop? Is that really where they are going?

Also is Dwight disappearing now? Too bad if so, he was actually one of the more interesting characters with a touch at least of acting ability.
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I just rewatched it and I also realized how futile the swamp people were. That storyline was strained anyways, but they randomly come in with some molotovs to thwart about 5 Saviors.That was the grand conclusion of that awful storyline? Seems right.
 
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