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The Walking Dead (Official Thread)

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BVistahC said:
I still do not buy that Gabriel was out of ammo. Inside the trailer, once Negan started talking, he (Gabriel) could've/should've stood up and started firing.

But this is "The Walking Dead" and I've suspended all logic...since Hershel's shotgun probably still hasn't run out of shells.
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I'd have to watch it again, but do the walkers know that they're in the trailer. They just seem to be milling around it. If Gabriel shoots, then they swarm the trailer and knock it over. If Negan uses the bat, then Gabriel shoots, and they swarm the trailer and knock it over. Something of a Mexican standoff if you ask me.
 
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Wow....two steaming piles of "who gives a fuck?" to start the season. Completely disinterested in anything and everything going on.

Also, I wish someone would explain to the directors that they are NEVER going to win a fucking Emmy for this show so they would stupid with these stupid artistic shots in every episode. Leave that stuff to the guys at Better Call Saul who actually know what the eff they are doing.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
I'd have to watch it again, but do the walkers know that they're in the trailer. They just seem to be milling around it. If Gabriel shoots, then they swarm the trailer and knock it over. If Negan uses the bat, then Gabriel shoots, and they swarm the trailer and knock it over. Something of a Mexican standoff if you ask me.
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They chased Gabriel into the trailer. Depending on how brains of zombies work....some of them could/should know.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
They chased Gabriel into the trailer. Depending on how brains of zombies work....some of them could/should know.
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They aint exactly fleet of foot!

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I remembered why I don't come into this thread...hard to watch a show about a zombie apocalypse while everyone analyzes every character move and thought in such detail. Fuck. Am I the only one who enjoyed the first couple episodes? I realize it wasn't Emmy material and up to Breaking Bad standards (my favorite show)...but on the same token, you know how many times Walt could have killed Gus and didn't do it? Well, turns out you have to defy armchair quarterback logic every once in awhile to keep it interesting so a story arch doesn't end immediately and a really interesting anti-hero isn't killed too soon.

The show isn't perfect and at some points, they have driven me insane. I get that. If they start doing the entire episode, one-character episodes for no reason again, then I will flip. But I just don't get how everyone universally hated the first two episodes.
 
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My specific thoughts…
The good: Ezekiel as a leader is a douche canoe. That, for once, actually makes some sense, and is consistent with what he told Carol in a moment of private clarity last season. The guy talks a huge game (I am done with the Shakespeare bullshit, but whatever), sets up one ambush that works, and thinks he’s Colin Powell. Then leads them directly into an ambush from a reinforced compound in open ground. Carol the whole time has this “We’re all going to get killed out here by this douche canoe” look on her face, but she goes along anyway, trying to nudge him in the right direction when she can. So to me, this particular part of the arc makes sense. Speaking of which, I assume those are the guns that got moved there from the place where Rick and Daryl stormed…who clued them in to move the guns? Dwight? Gregory? Or, in the crazy fan theory universe…could it be Father Gabriel? They have certainly held the resolution of that story back a few episodes…
The mixed: The fight between Morgan and Jesus. I get it, this is the personification of the growing pending civil war between the Morgan/Tara/Daryl wing and the Jesus/apparently Maggie wing. No real issue with that. Rick seems to be conflicted, as usual. But the fight scene itself was entirely too one-sided. I get it, Morgan is not right in the head (who could be after changing story arcs so many times), but he spent months training on how to fight with that staff, to the point they devoted an entire episode to it…and he gets his ass handed to him without leveling a significant shot in the entire sequence? It’s fine if they wanted Jesus to win, but it’s almost like they decided to make him look like the righteous super-human…with the obviously predictable upcoming slaughter at the Hilltop being led by tall gawky douche rocket that they should have gutted and left by the side of the road as soon as they saw him. Brilliant.
The awful: 1) The entire Morales thing. I mean Jesus Henrietta Christ, everything about that was terrible. The dialogue was terrible. The delivery was terrible. The story consistency was terrible. The acting was beyond terrible. Even Andrew Lincoln was terrible in this scene, which really points to how stupid it all was. Morales didn’t just act a Savior, he blamed Rick for everything, but zero reason for it (and there isn’t one, if you go back to season 1) all in a monologue that was so horribly cheesy I was cringing just watching the actor try and maintain an angry face for no apparent reason. Then Daryl just walks in and Indiana Joneses him like the Sword guy. And…why? What was the purpose of that? To show Daryl’s descent to the dark side? We already knew that after he got Glen killed, and besides that, there was ample display of that when he capped the guy behind the tree. To show Rick’s confliction? Dude, has Rick ever been anything but conflicted? If this was a lame attempt to set up him sparing Negin’s life, it was a damn terrible job of it. Bringing back Morales for this was yet another spot monkey decision by a phenomenally stupid writing team. 2) The acting between Aaron and Eric. Oh my God, I have seen better acting by Sasha Grey in a “mainstream” film, and she is likely the worst actress on the planet. Eric’s overwrought attempt at a Win One for the Gipper speech was just painful to watch, but not half as painful as watching Aaron cry and NOT SHED A SINGLE TEAR. He ended up with a perpetual look on his face like he was trying to hold back a fart after all-you-can-eat taco night because he knew he was going to blow his drawers clean off. I have no issue with the story line (except adding Eric to the 180 character turns) but my God was that bad. 3) Letting Gregory back in. Really? Really? We are supposed to buy Maggie as the leader of the free world (at least this part of it) after this is all over, and her first act is to let this assclown back in with no consequences? I get that she doesn’t know he left Father Gabriel there to die…exactly…but she identified the car he was in…and then what? Just let it go? And it’s not like there is a big Gregory contingent at the Hilltop anymore. Seriously, WTF?
 
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Bucklion said:
My specific thoughts…
The good: Ezekiel as a leader is a douche canoe. That, for once, actually makes some sense, and is consistent with what he told Carol in a moment of private clarity last season. The guy talks a huge game (I am done with the Shakespeare bull[Mark May], but whatever), sets up one ambush that works, and thinks he’s Colin Powell. Then leads them directly into an ambush from a reinforced compound in open ground. Carol the whole time has this “We’re all going to get killed out here by this douche canoe” look on her face, but she goes along anyway, trying to nudge him in the right direction when she can. So to me, this particular part of the arc makes sense. Speaking of which, I assume those are the guns that got moved there from the place where Rick and Daryl stormed…who clued them in to move the guns? Dwight? Gregory? Or, in the crazy fan theory universe…could it be Father Gabriel? They have certainly held the resolution of that story back a few episodes…
The mixed: The fight between Morgan and Jesus. I get it, this is the personification of the growing pending civil war between the Morgan/Tara/Daryl wing and the Jesus/apparently Maggie wing. No real issue with that. Rick seems to be conflicted, as usual. But the fight scene itself was entirely too one-sided. I get it, Morgan is not right in the head (who could be after changing story arcs so many times), but he spent months training on how to fight with that staff, to the point they devoted an entire episode to it…and he gets his ass handed to him without leveling a significant shot in the entire sequence? It’s fine if they wanted Jesus to win, but it’s almost like they decided to make him look like the righteous super-human…with the obviously predictable upcoming slaughter at the Hilltop being led by tall gawky douche rocket that they should have gutted and left by the side of the road as soon as they saw him. Brilliant.
The awful: 1) The entire Morales thing. I mean Jesus Henrietta Christ, everything about that was terrible. The dialogue was terrible. The delivery was terrible. The story consistency was terrible. The acting was beyond terrible. Even Andrew Lincoln was terrible in this scene, which really points to how stupid it all was. Morales didn’t just act a Savior, he blamed Rick for everything, but zero reason for it (and there isn’t one, if you go back to season 1) all in a monologue that was so horribly cheesy I was cringing just watching the actor try and maintain an angry face for no apparent reason. Then Daryl just walks in and Indiana Joneses him like the Sword guy. And…why? What was the purpose of that? To show Daryl’s descent to the dark side? We already knew that after he got Glen killed, and besides that, there was ample display of that when he capped the guy behind the tree. To show Rick’s confliction? Dude, has Rick ever been anything but conflicted? If this was a lame attempt to set up him sparing Negin’s life, it was a damn terrible job of it. Bringing back Morales for this was yet another spot monkey decision by a phenomenally stupid writing team. 2) The acting between Aaron and Eric. Oh my God, I have seen better acting by Sasha Grey in a “mainstream” film, and she is likely the worst actress on the planet. Eric’s overwrought attempt at a Win One for the Gipper speech was just painful to watch, but not half as painful as watching Aaron cry and NOT SHED A SINGLE TEAR. He ended up with a perpetual look on his face like he was trying to hold back a fart after all-you-can-eat taco night because he knew he was going to blow his drawers clean off. I have no issue with the story line (except adding Eric to the 180 character turns) but my God was that bad. 3) Letting Gregory back in. Really? Really? We are supposed to buy Maggie as the leader of the free world (at least this part of it) after this is all over, and her first act is to let this assclown back in with no consequences? I get that she doesn’t know he left Father Gabriel there to die…exactly…but she identified the car he was in…and then what? Just let it go? And it’s not like there is a big Gregory contingent at the Hilltop anymore. Seriously, WTF?
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That scene at the gates was soooooooooooooooooo bad. Gregory being dumb and then just the worst acting I might have ever seen from Maggie when she yells at him to shut up. It was like they kept a shot from rehearsal where Maggie forgot her line.
 
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Bucklion said:
My specific thoughts…
The good: Ezekiel as a leader is a douche canoe. That, for once, actually makes some sense, and is consistent with what he told Carol in a moment of private clarity last season. The guy talks a huge game (I am done with the Shakespeare bull[Mark May], but whatever), sets up one ambush that works, and thinks he’s Colin Powell. Then leads them directly into an ambush from a reinforced compound in open ground. Carol the whole time has this “We’re all going to get killed out here by this douche canoe” look on her face, but she goes along anyway, trying to nudge him in the right direction when she can. So to me, this particular part of the arc makes sense. Speaking of which, I assume those are the guns that got moved there from the place where Rick and Daryl stormed…who clued them in to move the guns? Dwight? Gregory? Or, in the crazy fan theory universe…could it be Father Gabriel? They have certainly held the resolution of that story back a few episodes…
The mixed: The fight between Morgan and Jesus. I get it, this is the personification of the growing pending civil war between the Morgan/Tara/Daryl wing and the Jesus/apparently Maggie wing. No real issue with that. Rick seems to be conflicted, as usual. But the fight scene itself was entirely too one-sided. I get it, Morgan is not right in the head (who could be after changing story arcs so many times), but he spent months training on how to fight with that staff, to the point they devoted an entire episode to it…and he gets his ass handed to him without leveling a significant shot in the entire sequence? It’s fine if they wanted Jesus to win, but it’s almost like they decided to make him look like the righteous super-human…with the obviously predictable upcoming slaughter at the Hilltop being led by tall gawky douche rocket that they should have gutted and left by the side of the road as soon as they saw him. Brilliant.
The awful: 1) The entire Morales thing. I mean Jesus Henrietta Christ, everything about that was terrible. The dialogue was terrible. The delivery was terrible. The story consistency was terrible. The acting was beyond terrible. Even Andrew Lincoln was terrible in this scene, which really points to how stupid it all was. Morales didn’t just act a Savior, he blamed Rick for everything, but zero reason for it (and there isn’t one, if you go back to season 1) all in a monologue that was so horribly cheesy I was cringing just watching the actor try and maintain an angry face for no apparent reason. Then Daryl just walks in and Indiana Joneses him like the Sword guy. And…why? What was the purpose of that? To show Daryl’s descent to the dark side? We already knew that after he got Glen killed, and besides that, there was ample display of that when he capped the guy behind the tree. To show Rick’s confliction? Dude, has Rick ever been anything but conflicted? If this was a lame attempt to set up him sparing Negin’s life, it was a damn terrible job of it. Bringing back Morales for this was yet another spot monkey decision by a phenomenally stupid writing team. 2) The acting between Aaron and Eric. Oh my God, I have seen better acting by Sasha Grey in a “mainstream” film, and she is likely the worst actress on the planet. Eric’s overwrought attempt at a Win One for the Gipper speech was just painful to watch, but not half as painful as watching Aaron cry and NOT SHED A SINGLE TEAR. He ended up with a perpetual look on his face like he was trying to hold back a fart after all-you-can-eat taco night because he knew he was going to blow his drawers clean off. I have no issue with the story line (except adding Eric to the 180 character turns) but my God was that bad. 3) Letting Gregory back in. Really? Really? We are supposed to buy Maggie as the leader of the free world (at least this part of it) after this is all over, and her first act is to let this assclown back in with no consequences? I get that she doesn’t know he left Father Gabriel there to die…exactly…but she identified the car he was in…and then what? Just let it go? And it’s not like there is a big Gregory contingent at the Hilltop anymore. Seriously, WTF?
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Agreed on about all of that except that I still really like The King, even if he is not the next great war general. Zero point in bringing Morales back (wtf even remembered who he was?), the most cliche seen with Aaron and Eric, and the decision to let Gregory back in is just mind-boggling, as is not killing the Saviors (clearly that will backfire and cost someone their life). The guy playing Gregory is about one of the worst actors I have seen and the writing for him is even worse. Gregory clearly gave up their group, Maggie knows it, and she lets him back in...should have killed him on the spot. And spot on for Morales...he has zero reason to hate Rick or be made...not like Rick left him for dead like he did Merle, his family left on their own after making a brief and extremely unmemorable appearance. However, at least they were consistent in unmemorable appearance with that brief appearance and death.

Pretty weak episode overall.
 
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OhioState001 said:
I find it really hard to believe a tiger could be defeated by 10 zombies
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You make it sound like there was a scene tonight with one guy helping another guy who couldn't walk through a field of zombies and at one point he just pushed him away with his off hand.

Wait.......there was that scene, exactly? Oh cool. Then yeah......having 10 of those things
kill a tiger
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That episode pissed me off more than any other in recent memory...

1) Shoot the fucking tires Carol and they can't drive off with that truck full of guns
2) Why go walking through the woods helping a guy on one leg when you could have just followed Rick and Daryl down the road? There were 20 cars parked there, and at one point 20 Saviors. I'm guessing they could have had a car in under 5mins.
3) The King could have been saved by that Tiger 100 times in the episode, but the Tiger shows up when they don't really need it to survive and it sacrifices itself for honestly nothing?
4) The guy shooting the mounted machine gun in the back of the jeep couldn't hit Rick or Daryl who were driving right behind him with no evasive maneuvers? It only took him 1,000 rounds to disable Rick's vehicle. This is the same weapon that mowed down 50 people in a field from 300 yards out taking off limbs and only letting 1 person get away?
 
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Magua said:
That episode pissed me off more than any other in recent memory...

1) Shoot the fucking tires Carol and they can't drive off with that truck full of guns
2) Why go walking through the woods helping a guy on one leg when you could have just followed Rick and Daryl down the road? There were 20 cars parked there, and at one point 20 Saviors. I'm guessing they could have had a car in under 5mins.
3) The King could have been saved by that Tiger 100 times in the episode, but the Tiger shows up when they don't really need it to survive and it sacrifices itself for honestly nothing?
4) The guy shooting the mounted machine gun in the back of the jeep couldn't hit Rick or Daryl who were driving right behind him with no evasive maneuvers? It only took him 1,000 rounds to disable Rick's vehicle. This is the same weapon that mowed down 50 people in a field from 300 yards out taking off limbs and only letting 1 person get away?
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yeah but you're ignoring all the cool camera tricks like focusing on the dripping faucet before switching focus to Carol....or having 2 guys slowly walking away from zombies all out of focus, and then slowly putting them in focus.
 
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I didn’t hate all of this episode, but…my thoughts…
The good: They actually followed through on Ezekiel’s story line, and didn’t turn him into an instant William Wallace. Even bigger bonus, the interaction between him and Carol before they left, with Carol being (at least somewhat) convinced because of her own transformation from abused housewife. Consistency, logic, and character arc…WTF? Did they hire special guest writers for this scene? The prep scenes in general were all good, and then going back to the characters (the flower in the arm) was well done. The Shiva death was meh, but we all knew it was coming and at least it made some sense to send Eze-E over the edge and break him, though the timing was complete bullshit :lol:. The end showing that along with the stunned loved ones was also decent. Carol is still 100% badass, though apparently forgot that shooting tires is allowed. Also, special bonus, they peppered the field with a high cal gun at the end of the last episode, and here at the beginning, we saw that almost everyone actually died, which is at least as consistent with reality as this show will allow itself to be. BUT, that leads me to…

The bad: 1) The chase scene. I mean, really? Really? They fire the same gun at the jeep, and it peppers the shit out of it, yet somehow Rick doesn’t get hit at all in the fury of high cal bullets and the jeep just keeps on trucking at full speed after the engine gets hit multiple times :lol: Meanwhile, Daryl has taken a significant spill on his motorcycle, yet not only gets up unscathed with no damage to his underneath leg, but manages to catch up JUST IN THE NICK OF TIME to take out the guy on the gun that magically now can’t kill anyone from close range. Then Rick of course escapes with no serious injuries from the jeep going down the embankment and flipping. We were just missing “Yippie Kay Yay Motherfucker!” 2) Jerry, the character that everyone likes, just happened to be the only guy left besides Eze-E and Carol, and apparently he didn’t even get hit :lol: 3) The fucking doufus Erick Stoltz-in-Pulp Fiction-wannabe. I mean, he just happened to be out in the open field behind them after that fury of bullets? And somehow has time to grace us with multiple soliloquies, yet only one walker catches up to them each time? I get that they were using him to say what Eze-E was already feeling, but I hate that type of exposition, and the entire thing was stupid, despite being split in half being kinda cool :lol:
 
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