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The Rematch/No Rematch Thread

scUM couldn't win with the majority of the calls going their way and a +3 advantage in turnovers: Turnovers that directly resulted in 10 scUM points. The other turnover, more than likely stopped an OSU scoring drive. Note: 2 of the turnovers were not even forced. Even then, scUM needed a drive against a soft zone in the last couple minutes to get within double digits.

This was a fun and exciting game but I don't see that scUM has any kind of legitimate reason for a rematch. scUM had their chance and lost. USC followed by Florida and Arkansas should get a shot unless they lose. If all three of these teams lose, then fine, scUM gets in the title game by default.
 
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MichiganForever;666972; said:
First I'd like to say to all the Buckeye fans, congratulations on your well deserved win. The hardest part about the end result is knowing that I will hear nothing but gloating from Ohio State fans. This will be the third year in a row I have had to endure an Ohio State victory over Michigan, and each loss stings more than the previous one.
I would also like to say Michigan shouldn't play OSU again in the National Championship purely on the basis that if you don't win your conference you shouldn't be given a chance to play in the National Championship. USC appears right now to be a deserving opponent if they can beat Notre Dame with some style points.
But I just want to remind all you Bucks fans that you won't be on top of Michigan forever. These are your glory years. We had our glory during the Coop era and soon, we'll be back on top again. Lloyd Carr's record against Jim Tressel is soon becoming Cooper-like at 1-5.
As far as the game went, Ohio State played at home and barely edged out Michigan. If the game was played in Ann Arbor, I think the result might've been different. Neither of the opposing defenses were impressive at all. Crable also made a costly mistake that would've stifled OSU's offense and given Michigan an opportunity to win the game. But those are the breaks. In the end, OSU made more opportunities for themselves than Michigan did. So congratulations.


Tressel is 2-1 in Ann Arbor. We own you there too...
 
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The one thing in the Meyer outburst that galls me is this suggestion:

"If I'm Ohio State, I go get a bunch of rings picked out and say we won the national championship," Meyer said.

Stupid idea, and one which Tressel will certainly not add to his to-do list prior to the Fiesta Bowl. Giving fake baubles for a contest yet to be completed is a shallow tactic I guess he picked up from being in the SEC (Tuberville et al).

Face it, the Buckeyes are already there, signed into the BCS Championship game. They will play against the team judged by both machine calculation and human estimation to be the best challenger.

If that is USC - good, if it is Michigan, so be it. You need only worry about things you can control, right? The result I suspect will be identical either way, with the Buckeyes coming out on top, in front of an overwhelming edge in fan support.
 
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No rematch for a couple of reasons.

The game wasn't really that close and was really never in doubt.

The only place it was close was on the scoreboard.

You would think with that score the lead would have changed numerous time. It didn't.

I gotta say that Michigan is lucky they didn't get blown out.

With that being said, why in the world would they deserve a rematch?
 
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"No rematch for you, one year!"

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michigama79 on GBW said:
I'm still extremely bitter about losing 3 games in a row, especially when one is a potential National Championship run. I'm sick of having good seasons only to come down to an OSU loss and a bowl game loss. It frustrates me even more when I don't know how this problem can be solved. Is it the coaches, the talent level, the gameplan, the general offensive/defensive philosophy, the recruiting process, the lack of motivation, the eagerness to win a game, etc ?

I just don't know. However, I know one thing for sure, I'm sick of losing to OSU year after year.
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Let There Be A Rematch
Last Update: 11/20/2006 6:39:09 PM
Thats what the BCS poll says heading into Week 13, and personally, I agree with the rankings. After watching all the top teams play this season, there is no doubt that Ohio State and Michigan are the two best teams in the country.
,However, the difference between Michigan and USC for second place is only .007. That number very easily could change after this weekend when No. 5 Notre Dame goes to Southern Cal.

In my opinion, the Trojans must defeat Notre Dame by 30 points or more to warrant any consideration for No. 2, since the Wolverines stomped all over the Irish in South Bend, 47-21. I hope thats how the pollsters and the computers see it, but for some reason, I am very pessimistic.

In any event, Ohio State will make up one-half of the championship game. The Wolverines went toe-to-toe with the best team in the land IN Columbus and almost had a chance to drive for the go-ahead score late in the game, had it not been for a helmet-to-helmet hit on Troy Smith. The Buckeyes signal-caller had thrown an incomplete pass on third and 15, but the penalty led to an automatic first down, on which Ohio State capitalized to score the decisive touchdown.

I'm not saying the Wolverines would have won the game, or that they are the better team. Heck, they caught more breaks than the Buckeyes did. Michigan just deserves a rematch on a neutral field since it has had a better season than any of the so-called other candidates.

The main and perhaps only challenger to the Maize and Blue, is the Trojans, who downed California, 23-9, after being outplayed for most of the first three quarters. I give Southern Cal a ton of credit for pulling it out in the final 15 minutes, but if one looks at the entire season, the Trojans have been nowhere near as strong as Michigan.

The Wolverines won all but one of their games by a touchdown or more, with the only seven-point win coming AT Penn State. The Trojans played three straight games during the season where they failed to win by more than a touchdown, two of them coming at home to Arizona State and Washington. One important aspect of both clubs, that hopefully the rankings will take into account, is that a loss to Oregon State should be more damaging than getting beat on the road by the number one team in the country.

As mentioned last week, the Irish have zero chance at playing Ohio State, even if they beat USC, since they got creamed on their own turf by Michigan earlier in the year. The only other team with a chance is Florida. The Gators find themselves only .042 behind Michigan, giving them a realistic shot at moving up to No. 2 with a USC loss and wins over Florida State and Arkansas. The one problem for the Gators is that they have been even less impressive than the Trojans have this season.

We'll all just have to wait one more week to see what happens, as the USC- Notre Dame contest will carry the most weight when the final BCS rankings come out in a couple of weeks.

NEWS AND NOTES

Kudos to Rutgers for a fantastic year, but the fairy tale season ended at Cincinnati last Saturday. Coach Greg Schiano has done a masterful job recruiting over the years and it showed, as the Scarlet Knights finished 7-4 in his fifth year on the job and are 9-1 so far in 06.

The Bearcats were ready and it showed from the opening gun, as they cruised to the 30-11 victory. Looking ahead to 2007, Cincinnati is certainly one team to watch, especially against the spread. After compiling a 12-19-1 ATS mark from 2003-05, the Cats have covered six of their 10 games this season and have gone 6-1-1 in their last eight contests.

Their defense has allowed only 16 points per game in the last seven games, and that number drops to 11 if the loss to West Virginia is removed. The Bearcats also have played what could be the hardest schedule of all 119 Division 1-A teams, as they squared off against four top 10 clubs in Ohio State, Louisville, West Virginia and Rutgers. And that doesn't even include Virginia Tech!

Cincinnatis roster is loaded with underclassmen, particularly on a defense that had five sophomores start this season. It only loses three seniors from a unit that is allowing only 106 yards rushing per game, 74 yards less than last years defense. Coach Mark Dantonio has the Bearcats going in the right direction in his third season at the helm, and with a little more offense next year, Cincinnati could be the dark horse of 2007.

I know its early, but another team to keep in mind for next year SU and ATS is Arizona. Coach Mike Stoops finally has his team believing in itself, and it shows in the Pac-10 standings. The Wildcats have been underdogs the last three weeks and have three outright victories, at Oregon and Washington State, along with the upset win at home over California.

Arizona has been an extremely solid play in the last two years, going 12-5-1 ATS in its last 18 games as an underdog. The Wildcats won't be getting too many points next year, as they will find themselves favored more times than not. Only one offensive starter, wide receiver, Syndric Steptoe, is a senior and if cornerback Antoine Cason stays in Tuscon for his final season, the Cats will have 10 of their 11 defensive starters returning in 07.

Coach Stoops has a long way to go match his brothers record at Oklahoma, but next season will be the first step in starting the comparisons.

THIS WEEKS TOP PLAY

Arizona State travels to Tucson to take on Arizona. The Wildcats are 2-5 SU against the Sun Devils in the last seven meetings, but the Cats have had miserable teams in recent seasons. The only year they were a .500 team was 1999, and that match-up came in Tempe, a 42-27 ASU win.

I've already mentioned how well Arizona has been playing as of late, and the opposite holds true for Arizona State. The Sun Devils were poised to challenge USC and Cal this season, but turmoil hit in training camp when Coach Dirk Koetter flip-flopped in naming his starting quarterback. Rudy Carpenter eventually was designated the starter, and Sam Keller transferred to Nebraska.

Since getting blown out by the Bears, Ducks and Trojans, the Sun Devils have gone 3-2. They have struggled on the road, getting blown out at Oregon State and barely getting by Washington in overtime. Carpenter and the rest of the offense only accounted for 264 yards in the loss to UCLA last week and will find the going just as difficult vs. Arizona. One final nugget: The Wildcats are 11-2 SU at home against ASU since 1960 when going into the game with an above .500 record.

Take Arizona minus the points.

In other action, go with South Carolina, SMU, Mississippi State, Nevada and Memphis.

This weeks top 10:

1) Ohio State, 107.5; 2) Texas, 103; 3) USC, 102.5; 4) BYU, 101.5; 5) Michigan, 101; 5) West Virginia, 101; 7) LSU, 100.5; 8) Oklahoma, 100; 9) Louisville, 100; 10) Virginia Tech, 99.5.
 
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Sporting News

SEC conspiracy theorists are in a frenzy already
November 20, 2006

The conspiracy theorists are in full force. I'm getting emails from fans in the SEC saying the deal already is done: Ohio State and Michigan will play in the national title game because that's the way ESPN and ABC want it, and since television runs everything, television wins out.
"Just like what they did to Peyton with the Heisman Trophy," says Ken from Nashville. "They gave it to Woodson because he played in the Big Ten and ESPN and ABC had the Big Ten (television) contract."
Right, and Chris Fowler secretly stuffed fake ballots.
Let me ease your fears, my faithful, frenetic SEC friends. ABC has nothing to do with the BCS. If you don't believe me, click here That's right, Fox Sports will televise the national title game, and as far as I know, Fox would never, ever ask the BCS honchos to manipulate the numbers so Ohio State and Michigan can play again.
I mean, I think.
If you're looking for a gripe, consider this one: Michigan simply isn't the No.2 team in the country. That 3-point loss to the Buckeyes should've been double digits without the two turnovers that gave the Wolverines 10 points (see: phantom interference call on the last drive of the game). Not only that, Ohio State left at least two other scores on the field by not finishing drives.
It could have been very, very ugly for Big Blue. Then the argument becomes who has played a better schedule. And both SEC schools (Arkansas and Florida) and USC have played a tougher schedule -- if for nothing else, by virtue of the SEC and Pac-10 being considerably stronger than the Little Two.
Frankly, if USC wins out, it should be in the national title game over any other one-loss team -- and it probably will. As far as an SEC presence in the game: this weekend is the key to that scenario. Both Florida (at Florida State) and Arkansas (LSU) have testy games.
Win those two first, then you can gripe.
 
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You want a good title game? Root for USC!

Trojans best-equipped to give Ohio State a tussle

John David Booty and the USC Trojans are probably the best bet to give Ohio State a good game in the national championship game, writes columnist Michael Ventre.


OPINION
By Michael Ventre
MSNBC contributor
Updated: 1 hour, 50 minutes ago

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Michael Ventre


In the midst of the latest debate over college football?s national championship, it?s probably best to begin on common ground:
Ohio State?s credentials to play in the title game on Jan. 8 are impeccable, while those of all others are flawed. Folks who can?t agree on much regarding this topic probably can at least agree on that.
But each of the teams in serious consideration for the berth opposite the 12-0 Buckeyes in Glendale, Ariz., to determine the BCS champion has a valid case.
Previously undefeated Michigan just lost a close one to its hated rivals on Saturday, so naturally the Wolverines and their followers feel they deserve a rematch. If USC finishes out, it will have completed one of the toughest schedules in the country with just one loss. If Florida finishes with only one defeat, it will say it belongs because of the week-to-week challenges of the SEC. Notre Dame could make a bid by knocking off USC. Arkansas may want to be heard.
Each of these teams is worthy. So at this moment in time, with all things being relatively equal among the contestants, the question becomes this:
Which team will people want to see?
In other words, which team will put on the best show? Which team will give Ohio State the best game? Which matchup will provide the most excitement?
Right now at least, it seems to be USC. The Trojans are peaking at the right time. Since falling behind, 33-10, before rallying in their eventual loss to Oregon State on Oct. 28, their defense has been stifling. Their offense has been inconsistent, and it?s a pale imitation of what it was last season, but it still has enough talent, experience and big-play potential to give the Buckeyes a difficult time.



And the Trojans seem to be in the catbird seat. If they finish by beating Notre Dame and UCLA, they would have beaten four ranked teams this season (rankings listed here are those at the time of the meeting): No. 19 Nebraska, No. 21 Oregon, No. 17 Cal and No. 6 Notre Dame. In the end, the BCS computers are expected to spit out a result that suggests such an accomplishment ? as well as a whipping of Arkansas, which was unranked at the time but is No. 5 now ? is enough to pair them with Ohio State.
Michigan, the Trojans? closest rival in the BCS standings and still currently No. 2, played only two ranked teams ? No. 2 Notre Dame and No. 1 Ohio State ? and beat one.
But that isn?t the main reason the Wolverines should be nudged out. It?s this rematch talk.
Certainly there?s a split in public opinion on the matter. But one of the most enjoyable aspects of college football is its one-time-event quality. It isn?t like the NFL, which is a business with a 16-game schedule that mandates division rivals play each other twice.
Ohio State-Michigan happens once a year, and fans celebrate the special nature of their rivalry. USC-Notre Dame happens once a year. Texas-Oklahoma happens once a year. Ditto for Auburn-Alabama, Miami-Florida State, Army-Navy, etc. There is all sorts of hype and buildup and anticipation and excitement prior to those games.
But once such a game is over, the drama, the mystery, the intrigue are all gone. In the rare instances when a rematch is declared, the buzz has to be generated all over again. And the whole experience is not nearly as good the second time.
There is no question Michigan is worthy. But in college football, the object is to improve. That?s why a defeat early in the season isn?t nearly as harmful to a team?s bowl chances as it is late in the year. By late November, a team is expected to have it together, and to be playing at peak efficiency. Michigan was as ready as it could be to play Ohio State. The Wolverines lost. It?s time for them to step aside and let somebody else get a shot.And much of the rematch talk has been fueled by people looking at it from Michigan?s point of view. But again, the Wolverines lost. The argument should be looked at from Ohio State?s perspective. They?re the victors.
Should the Buckeyes be burdened with having to play Michigan again? Is that fair, given what they?ve accomplished this year? That?s the last team they want to face in the title game. They did everything asked of them, and their reward is to be forced to beat Michigan again? It doesn?t seem right.
Jim Tressel said before Saturday?s game that he didn?t think a team that failed to win its conference championship should be allowed to play for the national title. At the time I thought he was just being gracious and classy, allowing someone other than Ohio State or Michigan to enter into the picture. But now I realize the sly dog was probably quite confident his Buckeyes would win and he wanted to preemptively mute any calls for a rematch with Michigan.

USC is probably the best pick to take on Ohio State at this juncture, but excellent arguments can be made for others. The next-best selection would probably be Notre Dame if it beats USC. The Irish did lose, 47-21, to Michigan on Sept. 16. But again, teams are expected to improve. This is a much better Notre Dame team now than it was then.The same can also be said of Arkansas, a darkhorse candidate but also a worthy one. The Razorbacks were embarrassed at home in the season opener against USC, 50-14. But they haven?t lost since, and they defeated two ranked teams ? No. 2 Auburn and No. 13 Tennessee ? with No. 9 LSU coming up on Friday.
Unfortunately the Razorbacks are too one-dimensional to give Ohio State a real tussle. The Buckeyes would shut down their running game, and that would be that.
Florida is also in the mix. The Gators beat two ranked teams ? No. 13 Tennessee and No. 9 LSU ? but fell to No. 11 Auburn. Yet Florida?s nonconference schedule is a tray of cupcakes ? Southern Mississippi, Central Florida, Western Carolina and rival Florida State, although in fairness the Seminoles aren?t always as putrid as they turned out to be this year. But in terms of strength of schedule, teams like USC and Notre Dame have a stronger argument than Florida.
All of this will sort itself out in the next week or so. USC has to win out. Florida still has Florida State and the SEC title game against Arkansas.
But rematches should be left to boxing and pay-per-view. In that realm, a rematch is often a show worth watching. In this one, it isn?t.
Michael Ventre is a contributor to MSNBC.com and a freelance writer based in Los Angeles.
 
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I say if Ohio State and Michigan are the top two teams, let them go to two seperate bowls, when they both win (since they're the top two teams) they'll still be the top two teams at the end of the year, just like it should be. We beat them, we're #1, they're #2. If we both take care of business in our seperate bowl games, that's the way it will be at the end of the year just like it should be.
 
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I wasn't much impressed with USC or Cal on Saturday, but there's no one else for the West Coast writers/media/coaches to vote for. I wouldn't be surprised to see Notre Dame score a bunch of points on them and God knows the Notre Dame defense is capable of giving up batches of points... could well be the last team with the ball wins kind of game.

I can sympathize with Michigan fans to a point, but I can't think of a season when there wouldn't be any number of teams that would love to have a second shot at someone on their schedule. Think USC wouldn't like to get Oregon on a neutral field? What about Louisville and WVA? What about Texas? What about OSU at the end of 2005? Tell me they wouldn't have played a better game against Texas than the first one. Might still have lost, but they certainly would have loved the second shot.
 
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Now that after I've had a few cold ones, I think my thoughts on this issue of a possible rematch is clearer than ever. So allow me to elucidate it:
The Michigan Losers Lost and Go Bucks!!! And if they want a rematch, go suck off USC or Florida or Arkansas or WV or UL first or else we just won't play them again. :osu:
 
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