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The Polls (AP, Coaches, & CFP, etc.)

IU is ranked in the AP.

These days that's as valuable as being ranked in a poll done on a message board.

College Football Playoff Selection Committee Doing Big Ten No Favors

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The second set of rankings from the College Football Playoff Committee was released on ESPN Tuesday night. Ohio State fell to No. 2 behind LSU, who was No. 2 last week. LSU moved up a spot following their 46-41 win at then-No. 3 Alabama on Saturday.

The Buckeyes, who defeated Maryland 73-14 on Saturday, became the first team in the history of the playoff rankings to drop out of the top spot after a win.

Why did it happen?

Maybe because the committee decided to rank Texas again.

Obviously, the Alabama win helped, but chair Rob Mullens (Oregon Director of Athletics) also cited LSU’s four wins over Top 20 teams. Those four wins: Alabama, Florida, Auburn, and Texas.

Texas (6-3) was unranked a week ago but moved up to No. 19 this week thanks to a 27-24 win as time expired over then-No. 16 Kansas State (who is now 3-3 in Big XII play, 6-3 overall, and ranked No. 24).

When Mullens gave his reasons for LSU over Ohio State at No. 1, those four wins were key.

“Those two teams are both great teams, and again, Ohio State was ranked No. 1 last week because of their consistent play at a very high level,” he said. “But when you look at LSU’s resume now, with a win on the road at Alabama to add to the win on the road at Texas, plus two marquee wins at home against Florida and Auburn, so four ranked wins, that’s the most of any team in the nation. With that, the committee felt they deserved to be No. 1.”

When pressed to find out exactly why Texas made such a jump, Mullens cited quality losses and the Kansas State win.

“Well, when you look at Texas, obviously they have close losses to LSU and to Oklahoma, so two of their losses are against ranked teams, and understand they do have that third loss against TCU, but they also beat a ranked Kansas State team,” he said. “That’s what the committee saw in looking at Texas.”

So would the Buckeyes still be No. 1 had Texas not made a last-second field goal against Kansas State and lost in overtime. Probably not, but this will be a game that impacts Ohio State moving forward.

Citing LSU’s four wins over ranked opponents on more than one occasion, it is clear that this is a measuring stick the committee is planning on using. (At least when it appeals to them.) LSU only has one other game against a ranked opponent coming up, and that will be in the SEC Championship Game.

If Ohio State can also have five wins over ranked opponents this season, then maybe their overall dominance on both sides of the ball will get them back to No. 1 and allow them to choose the bowl venue of their choice.

Right now, the Buckeyes have two wins over ranked opponents: Wisconsin and Cincinnati. But they still have games against Penn State, Michigan, and possibly the Big Ten Championship Game, which would give them five wins over ranked opponents assuming UC isn’t dropped out after a loss to somebody other than the Buckeyes.

Of course, if the Indiana Hoosiers could get into the committee’s rankings, then that might help things as well.

Unfortunately, that’s not likely to happen unless Indiana wins at Penn State this weekend.

Asked why Indiana — who is ranked No. 25 in the Coaches Poll and No. 24 AP Poll — didn’t make the committee’s Top 25, Mullens was very matter-of-fact.

“Indiana, we didn’t go into great discussion about them because they weren’t on the board,” he said.

They didn’t even consider the Hoosiers. But you know who they did consider? Appalachian State, who came in ranked No. 25 and who holds wins over North Carolina and South Carolina — both teams under .500.

Indiana has no marquee win, but they at least merit discussion if Appalachian State does.

Speaking of no marquee wins, there was also a discussion between Alabama and Minnesota, who picked up their first notable win over then-No. 4 Penn State this past weekend.

Unfortunately, when those two teams were discussed, Oregon was also discussed, so Mullens had to recuse himself.

Mullens’ answer as to why Alabama gets ranked so high with no quality wins and Minnesota didn’t — and still doesn’t — despite the win over Penn State, makes as much sense as it would have even if he was there for the discussion.

“I would have been out of the room for much of that, so I don’t know the answer to that if they were put up side by side,” he said.

When asked if the committee shared anything about a discussion concerning Minnesota and Alabama, the answer was no — which likely means it didn’t happen.

“Not about those two teams in comparison to one another,” he said. “I’ve shared about Minnesota, obviously. The non-conference was a concern. The win against Penn State was big. When you see Alabama, obviously their only loss was to the team that’s now ranked No. 1 in the country, and prior to that they had been dominant against their schedule, and so we see a very, very good football team.”

Entire article: https://theozone.net/2019/11/college-football-playoff-selection-committee-big-ten-no-favors/

The humans on the committee are as flawed as everyone else, subject to perception biases based on the name of the school.

Texas > Indiana
Alabama > Everyone

All things being perceived as equal, the big names will get the benefit of the doubt (see: "eye test").
 
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These days that's as valuable as being ranked in a poll done on a message board.



The humans on the committee are as flawed as everyone else, subject to perception biases based on the name of the school.

Texas > Indiana
Alabama > Everyone

All things being perceived as equal, the big names will get the benefit of the doubt (see: "eye test").

I would submit that polls done on a message board are MORE valuable. r/CFB and the MaxDiff poll are both better than any official poll.
 
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Good points yes.

I hate to get too far ahead of myself and start assuming tOSU will win its next 5 games, but apparently the CFP final is in New Orleans? I had almost managed to block it out of my memory, but I do recall the 2008 loss to LSU in New Orleans.

Here's hoping for payback for our last loss to Clemson and our last loss to LSU. That would be sweet.
This makes me think I'd rather handle LSU in Atlanta or Arizona.
 
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The Boner for Texas is hilarious

I guess I can see Bama seeing very recent past success (even though that shouldnt matter)

But whens the last time Texas was actually legit? Them being so high has to be on name alone, with some of the SEC style ranking based on who theyve lost to and not who theyve beat (Though their loss besides LSU/OU is to a 4-5 TCU team). Them being seen as a top 20 team by the committee is puzzling.
 
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Paul Finebaum Predicts Winner Of Ohio State-LSU Game

As for Ohio State, the Big Ten powerhouse continues to steamroll past opponents – even without superstar defender Chase Young on the field.

Finebaum has taken notice of the Buckeyes’ dominance, and that’s exactly why he thinks they’d beat the Tigers in a potential matchup.

He was on ESPN’s First Take to talk about the top teams in the country. During his segment, Finebaum discussed why LSU might not be as unbeatable as people think.

“If you look at LSU, as great as that win was the other day, they’ve got a couple of narrow wins. They beat Auburn by three at home, they had a heavyweight fight against Florida, and they had a narrow win against Texas – which isn’t a great team. Ohio State has shredded teams.”

You can check out the full discussion here:



Entire article: https://thespun.com/big-ten/ohio-st...oViEEjRcpSdGvRrDLY_7xyWsgatwhqrj6ISj9mJ-WfnMU
 
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So....about Bama

0 quality wins
1 quality loss
0 Tua
0 Conference championships

CFP's love affair is going to be put to the test here (if Auburn doesn't make it easy for everyone and hang another quality loss on them)

Do you even SEC bro? If they beat Auburn, that's quite the quality win. Ignore the fact that Auburn will be 8-4 and losers of their last 2, 3 of their last 4, and 4 of their last 6 games against FBS opponents.
 
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That's the nice thing about our position. Drop us to 6th, it doesn't matter Win out and we're in.
I hate to type this. But the Mutts should beat LSU in Atlanta. LSU is like a high scoring Big 12 team. Their D sucks. Gata offense sucks, and we led them in the second half. I see no chance for an LSU National Championship. True, if the Leg Humpers put in a South Carolina type effort - or even a cocktail Party effort, LSU will be SEC Champ, only to get stoned when it plays the Buckeyes.

Could be wrong. It is hard to compare teams with the schedules being so very different. And it is hard to tell if Clemson is good or bad. We just don't know. They could be like FSU back in the late 90s, playing a bullshit soft ACC sched, but still a frickin' Monster who shows up for a few tough games a year with a totally healthy roster. I tend to write Clemson off, but I have to proof that they are not great. Just no proof that they are great.
 
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The Boner for Texas is hilarious

I guess I can see Bama seeing very recent past success (even though that shouldnt matter)

But whens the last time Texas was actually legit? Them being so high has to be on name alone, with some of the SEC style ranking based on who theyve lost to and not who theyve beat (Though their loss besides LSU/OU is to a 4-5 TCU team). Them being seen as a top 20 team by the committee is puzzling.

2009 was their last year of being nationally relevant. They've been mediocre or worse for a solid 10 years now.
 
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