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LordJeffBuck said:
No way 13-0 Oklahoma gets left out with the most explosive offense in the country, especially with the Tua vs. Hurts story line.
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OU doesnt get that pass imo.
Theyve never won a game.
Their AD is on Committee and has to leave room every time OU is discussed.
LX is also split on Fox, like Big.
Espn knows they have to cut Big in at some point... spread the discontent across Pac, Big, and LX
 
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heisman said:
It’s flat out silly to believe an undefeated OSU gets left out....ever, let alone with this year’s schedule. Not happening in this lifetime.
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Okay, it's flat out silly. I know it's flat out silly.

But it's also flat out silly to leave out undefeated Oklahoma, undefeated Clemson, one-loss SEC champ Georgia, and one-loss Alabama.

In my scenario, there's going to be some silliness somewhere. There's no way around that. And someone who deserves to be in the playoff is going to get the shaft.

I explained why leaving Ohio State out would be less silly than leaving out Oklahoma, Clemson, Georgia, and Alabama.

So someone try to convince me that leaving Ohio State out would be more silly than leaving out at least one of the other four teams.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Okay, it's flat out silly. I know it's flat out silly.

But it's also flat out silly to leave out undefeated Oklahoma, undefeated Clemson, one-loss SEC champ Georgia, and one-loss Alabama.

In my scenario, there's going to be some silliness somewhere. There's no way around that. And someone who deserves to be in the playoff is going to get the shaft.

I explained why leaving Ohio State out would be less silly than leaving out Oklahoma, Clemson, Georgia, and Alabama.

So someone try to convince me that leaving Ohio State out would be more silly than leaving out at least one of the other four teams.
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Oklahoma wouldn't jump Ohio State when the undefeated Buckeyes will have defeated Wiscy, Penn St, TTUN in AA, and Wiscy (or Minny) in the CCG. Oklahoma would have wins over Baylor and another win over Texas or Baylor, and their body of work would be noticeably less impressive overall. I said it earlier, an undefeated Buckeye team will end up at least #2.

Alabama, if they lose the CCG, will have wins over LSU and Auburn. Their next most impressive win would be over Texas A&M or South Carolina, both currently .500 teams. They'll have only 9 wins over P5 teams and no conference championship, and Ohio State would have 10 wins over P5 teams plus one over Cincy (who may be still ranked) and a conference championship. There is SEC bias, but it doesn't extend far enough to put 1-loss Bama in over an undefeated Buckeye team this season. No frickin' way.
 
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BB73 said:
Oklahoma wouldn't jump Ohio State when the undefeated Buckeyes will have defeated Wiscy, Penn St, TTUN in AA, and Wiscy (or Minny) in the CCG. Oklahoma would have wins over Baylor and another win over Texas or Baylor, and their body of work would be noticeably less impressive overall. I said it earlier, an undefeated Buckeye team will end up at least #2.

Alabama, if they lose the CCG, will have wins over LSU and Auburn. Their next most impressive win would be over Texas A&M or South Carolina, both currently .500 teams. They'll have only 9 wins over P5 teams and no conference championship, and Ohio State would have 10 wins over P5 teams plus one over Cincy (who may be still ranked) and a conference championship. There is SEC bias, but it doesn't extend far enough to put 1-loss Bama in over an undefeated Buckeye team this season. No frickin' way.
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LordJeffBuck said:
No way 13-0 Oklahoma gets left out with the most explosive offense in the country, especially with the Tua vs. Hurts story line.
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Not having read through all responses, when I read your quoted statement, several question immediately popped into my head. Here they are and my responses to them:

1. Then why are they currently ranked behind, and not ahead of, us when both of us are undefeated? It would stand to reason that if Oklahoma would be the preferred option over us when both are undefeated then they'd already be ranked ahead of us now.

2. Who will have Oklahoma have beaten? Other than Texas, essentially no one. Their OOC scheduled includes I-AA South Dakota and a currently 1-5 UCLA team that just lost by 17 at home against fucking Oregon State whose only other win this year so far has been against I-AA Cal Poly. Their conference schedule has only one currently ranked team other than #15 Texas (#22 Baylor). Conversely, we'll have destroyed a likely conference champion and potential NY6 Bowl team in Cincinnati and a fairly solid FAU squad for our OOC schedule (not counting the 71-point win over a mid-level MAC team). We'll have also beaten the current #6 and #7 teams in Wisconsin and Penn State, not to mention beating either Wisconsin again or a likely top-20 Minnesota team in the CCG.

3. How much more explosive is Oklahoma's offense than ours? Answer: Not at all. Oklahoma currently averages 621.7 yards a game (#1) while scoring 50.2 ppg (#3), which is a point for every 12.38 yards gained. We currently average 534.5 yards per game (#7) while scoring 49.4 ppg (#4), which is a point for every 10.82 yards gained.

4. Has their defense improved that much from last year? They have indeed showed noticeable improvement. Oklahoma is currently #30 in scoring defense, giving up 20.3 ppg. Last year, they were #101 at 33.3 ppg for the entire season, which would at first glance suggest that they've made significant improvement. However, they are only halfway through their regular season schedule so they still have a way to go before we can assume they have shored up the defense to that degree.

Based on these, I just don't see how they'd jumped us if we ran the table and continued to do so in the impressive manner in which we have so far this season.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Okay, it's flat out silly. I know it's flat out silly.

But it's also flat out silly to leave out undefeated Oklahoma, undefeated Clemson, one-loss SEC champ Georgia, and one-loss Alabama.

In my scenario, there's going to be some silliness somewhere. There's no way around that. And someone who deserves to be in the playoff is going to get the shaft.

I explained why leaving Ohio State out would be less silly than leaving out Oklahoma, Clemson, Georgia, and Alabama.

So someone try to convince me that leaving Ohio State out would be more silly than leaving out at least one of the other four teams.
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The only team of those mentioned in the top 10 in both offense and defense is OSU.

Leaving that team out who is also an undefeated conf champ is indefensible. And the committee would know that.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Here's the scenario:

Georgia beats Alabama in SEC Championship in a close game. Oklahoma, Ohio State, Clemson, and Notre Dame win out. The potential playoff teams are:

13-0 Ohio State (Big Ten champ)
13-0 Oklahoma (Big XII champ)
13-0 Clemson (ACC champ)
12-1 Georgia (SEC champ)
12-1 Alabama (SEC runner-up)
11-1 Notre Dame (Independent)

No way that the SEC champ gets left out, so Georgia is in despite the bad loss to South Carolina.

No way that 12-1 Alabama gets left out (they never get left out), and the perception will still be that they are the best team despite the loss to UGa.

No way 13-0 Oklahoma gets left out with the most explosive offense in the country, especially with the Tua vs. Hurts story line.

No way 13-0 Clemson gets left as the defending national champion.

So that leaves Ohio State vs Notre Dame in some NY6 bowl. Yippee!

If you think I'm wrong, tell me who gets left out of my scenario - Alabama, Oklahoma, or Clemson - and why.
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Alabama... because they'll have lost their final game, their defense isn't what it was, and we are undefeated.

There's no way they could justify putting in Alabama.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Okay, it's flat out silly. I know it's flat out silly.

But it's also flat out silly to leave out undefeated Oklahoma, undefeated Clemson, one-loss SEC champ Georgia, and one-loss Alabama.

In my scenario, there's going to be some silliness somewhere. There's no way around that. And someone who deserves to be in the playoff is going to get the shaft.

I explained why leaving Ohio State out would be less silly than leaving out Oklahoma, Clemson, Georgia, and Alabama.

So someone try to convince me that leaving Ohio State out would be more silly than leaving out at least one of the other four teams.
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OSU won't even be in the discussion for the last spot because they will be the #1 seed based on your scenario. I think the tougher argument would be convincing anyone that Georgia will win their division. It's doubtful. They are a very good, but not great, football team this year.
 
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heisman said:
OSU won't even be in the discussion for the last spot because they will be the #1 seed based on your scenario. I think the tougher argument would be convincing anyone that Georgia will win their division. It's doubtful. They are a very good, but not great, football team this year.
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UGA is probably as good as FL. So basically as good as any team in the East.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
But it's also flat out silly to leave out undefeated Oklahoma, undefeated Clemson, one-loss SEC champ Georgia, and one-loss Alabama.

In my scenario, there's going to be some silliness somewhere. There's no way around that. And someone who deserves to be in the playoff is going to get the shaft.

So someone try to convince me that leaving Ohio State out would be more silly than leaving out at least one of the other four teams.
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In your scenario, Bama doesn't belong in the playoffs. Sorry. Don't give a fuck how many times they've won, how many times they've been in. Win your conference championship or stop complaining and watch from home. If OSU wins out and is at least somewhat as dominate as they've been, you will not be able to find a more balanced, complete team and they won't be denied a spot.

All this talk just makes me abhor the committee and this traveling circus of a 4 team playoff. No accountability, no concrete process for choosing teams. We just accept 1-2 SEC spots a year and scramble for scraps. Just get to 8 spots, with 5 conference champs guaranteed, as fast as possible.

Just as a sidenote; LSU deserves a lot of credit for their big wins so far, but they have a porous defense and I'm surprised that PFF, which seems to rank base don team ability rather than wins, has them at #3. They're certainly one of the most dangerous teams, I just think they're closer to OSU 2018 rather than a truly dominate team that some paint them as.
 
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heisman said:
OSU won't even be in the discussion for the last spot because they will be the #1 seed based on your scenario. I think the tougher argument would be convincing anyone that Georgia will win their division. It's doubtful. They are a very good, but not great, football team this year.
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So...

What team in the SEC East is great this year?

Might it not be possible for a good but not great team to win that division?
 
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