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The Polls (AP, Coaches, & CFP, etc.)

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Diminishing the regular season is awarding Bama and Clemson a spot every year and propping them up as unbeatable while simultaneously downgrading historic accomplishments of other athletes in competing conferences.

The regular season is already meaningless when you can make the playoffs after losing your rivalry game the week after playing FUCKING MERCER!

The bullshit precedent is already set. Fuck the CFP.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Expansion of the playoff = diminished regular season, the only question is to what degree.

The only way I would be in favor of that is to have a BCS formula like seeding system and home field.

Otherwise go the other direction and tell ESPN to shove their tournament up their ass.
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I would be OK with expanding to a 6-team playoff, under the following terms:

5 conference champions and the highest rated of the other-5/Notre Dame, or just the other-5 if they can force ND into a conference. That allows entry for everybody.

The 2 added games would be played between Dec. 15th and 21st at the home fields (or a local stadium of their choice) for #3 and #4. Top 2 seeds get a bye. It's really an 11-team playoff because the CCGs are elimination games, pure and simple.

You don't win your division, you're out.
You don't win your CCG, you're done.
No eye test among the Power-5, let a BCS-type model rank the 5 champions and slot in the non-Power-5 team. No committee with politics and people recusing themselves from discussions.

This retains the regular season, maximizes the importance of the CCGs, adds the excitement of two on-campus playoff games in mid-December, and retains the current bowl structure within the playoff and New Year's 6 games.

The only problem I see is that it makes too much sense to ever be agreed upon. The obvious opponents will be ESPN and the SEC, who would expect to get 2 of the top 6 almost every year under the current 'best teams eye-test' mantra. But everybody else should support it and force them to go along.
 
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BB73 said:
I would be OK with expanding to a 6-team playoff, under the following terms:

5 conference champions and the highest rated of the other-5/Notre Dame, or just the other-5 if they can force ND into a conference. That allows entry for everybody.

The 2 added games would be played between Dec. 15th and 21st at the home fields (or a local stadium of their choice) for #3 and #4. Top 2 seeds get a bye. It's really an 11-team playoff because the CCGs are elimination games, pure and simple.

You don't win your division, you're out.
You don't win your CCG, you're done.
No eye test among the Power-5, let a BCS-type model rank the 5 champions and slot in the non-Power-5 team. No committee with politics and people recusing themselves from discussions.

This retains the regular season, maximizes the importance of the CCGs, adds the excitement of two on-campus playoff games in mid-December, and retains the current bowl structure within the playoff and New Year's 6 games.

The only problem I see is that it makes too much sense to ever be agreed upon. The obvious opponents will be ESPN and the SEC, who would expect to get 2 of the top 6 almost every year under the current 'best teams eye-test' mantra. But everybody else should support it and force them to go along.
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I agree, it makes too much sense. ESPN and the SEC would be trying to get three or four teams in because well...SEC! SEC!

Make it to the championship game and essentially you’re in the playoff. Win and advance. The regular season remains important because the goal is still win the conference. Not a fucking beauty pageant.

Any scenario will have its flaws but six teams could be the best one. Especially when you make the caveat you must win the conference (Looking at you ND, join one or GTFO) your OOC games must be played by November 1st and any wins vs FCS opponents eliminate you from the playoff even if you win your conference.

Let’s all play the same number of conference games...is it 8 or 9. That should be cleared up regardless but again that would make too much sense.
 
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BB73 said:
I would be OK with expanding to a 6-team playoff, under the following terms:

5 conference champions and the highest rated of the other-5/Notre Dame, or just the other-5 if they can force ND into a conference. That allows entry for everybody.

The 2 added games would be played between Dec. 15th and 21st at the home fields (or a local stadium of their choice) for #3 and #4. Top 2 seeds get a bye. It's really an 11-team playoff because the CCGs are elimination games, pure and simple.

You don't win your division, you're out.
You don't win your CCG, you're done.
No eye test among the Power-5, let a BCS-type model rank the 5 champions and slot in the non-Power-5 team. No committee with politics and people recusing themselves from discussions.

This retains the regular season, maximizes the importance of the CCGs, adds the excitement of two on-campus playoff games in mid-December, and retains the current bowl structure within the playoff and New Year's 6 games.

The only problem I see is that it makes too much sense to ever be agreed upon. The obvious opponents will be ESPN and the SEC, who would expect to get 2 of the top 6 almost every year under the current 'best teams eye-test' mantra. But everybody else should support it and force them to go along.
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In another thread, I discussed the 1973 Scenario that would bust the current 4-team playoff system:

LordJeffBuck said:
I'm not arguing for an expanded playoff, but....

1973 is the counter-argument to this. Here were the top teams heading into the bowl season:

Associated Press
_1. Alabama (11-0-0)
_2. Oklahoma (10-0-1)
_3. Notre Dame (10-0-0)
_4. Ohio State (9-0-1)
_5. Michigan (10-0-1)
_6. Penn State (11-0-0)
_7. Southern Cal (9-1-1)
_8. Texas (8-2-0)
_9. UCLA (9-2-0)
10. Arizona State (10-1-0)
11. Texas Tech (10-1-0)
12. Nebraska (8-2-1)

Clearly, the top 6 teams in 1973 deserved to get into a hypothetical playoff, with Southern Cal making a strong case as the Pac-8 representative, and with mid-majors Arizona State (then in the WAC) and Texas Tech (SWC) also having an argument for inclusion. Miami of Ohio finished the regular season at 10-0-0 and #15 in the pre-bowl poll, and of course the MAC Defenders of the Faith would have been crowing for the little guy to get a shot.

2007 was a similar cluster, with no single team really standing out from the pack:

BCS Rankings
_1. Ohio State (11-1)
_2. Louisiana State (11-2)
_3. Virginia Tech (11-2)
_4. Oklahoma (11-2)
_5. Georgia (10-2)
_6. Missouri (10-2)
_7. Southern Cal (10-2)
_8. Kansas (11-1)
_9. West Virginia (10-2)
10. Hawaii (12-0)

Even in 2014, a pair of Power5 one-loss teams (Baylor, TCU) were left out of the playoffs. Not that I'm upset about that....

So while four teams is a really good number in most years, you will always have seasons where five or six or even more teams would be deserving. But life isn't fair, and I'd personally vote for under-inclusion rather than over-inclusion. Leave the playoffs at four teams and let #5 cry like a baby for the next year.
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As things turned out, 2018 is another 1973, with three or four deserving teams being left out of the mix

Your hypothetical 6-team playoff would look something like this:

#1 Alabama (13-0) bye
#2 Clemson (13-0) bye
#3 Notre Dame (12-0) vs #6 Washington (10-3)
#4 Oklahoma (12-1) vs #5 Ohio State (12-1)

Not ideal, perhaps, with a pretty weak Washington team in over Georgia, UCF, or even Michigan, but a really nice playoff lineup.

The main problem with the 5 champs +1 system is the possibility of the anti-1973 Scenario, which could have happened this year with a few unlikely upsets in the CCG games. Imagine this 6-team playoff instead:

#1 Alabama (13-0) bye
#2 Notre Dame (12-0) bye
#3 Texas (10-3) vs #6 Pitt (8-5)
#4 Utah (10-3) vs #5 Northwestern (9-4)

Those first round games would be absolutely painful to watch, and the second round games would be lambs to the slaughter, giving us Alabama vs Notre Dame in the national championship game (ironically, a rematch of the 1973 Sugar Bowl, the 1973 de facto national championship game).

Increasing the field to 8 teams would allow Oklahoma, Ohio State, or Georgia to get in through the back door, but would obviously decrease the value of the conference championship games. Alternatively, it would let in a non-Power5 team like UCF (and isn't every CFB fan simply dying for little David to get hit title shot?).

There is not and never will be a perfect solution. The old bowl and poll system worked pretty well in most years, and so did the BCS. And so has the playoff, so far. An expanded playoff will probably work as well. I just don't want to see some sort of March Madness in CFB, so my absolute limit would be 8 teams.
 
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If you wanted a real doomsday scenario this year, Northwestern could have lost at Sparty, lost to Nebraska (they had a miracle OT win), lost at Minny (whom Vegas favored) and won a 4-way divisional tiebreaker due to their wins over Purdue, Wisconsin, and Iowa. Then if they had won the CCG, they'd be in the Rose Bowl with a 6-7 record. I don't think Delany or the Rose Bowl folks would have been too happy with that.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:

Increasing the field to 8 teams would allow Oklahoma, Ohio State, or Georgia to get in through the back door, but would obviously decrease the value of the conference championship games. Alternatively, it would let in a non-Power5 team like UCF (and isn't every CFB fan simply dying for little David to get hit title shot?).
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To be totally honest, if they weren't playing Ohio State, I'd absolutely be cheering for UCF if for nothing else than to see them piss in ESECSECSECPN's Wheaties.
 
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MaxBuck said:
I actually disagree, assuming the conference champions get auto-bids. The reason? Winning one's championship becomes a big deal again. And winning conference championships has been devalued by both the BCS and the CFP.
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fair enough if you are talking about the CCG's themselves but my fear has always been we see people resting players the last week of the season if they are already locked into their CCG.

If the CCG's as an auto bid to the CFP become more and more "what it's all about" then it increases the odds of risk to The Game (all rivalry games actually) imo.

Delany has his sad attachment to the Rose Bowl, mine is to The Game.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
fair enough if you are talking about the CCG's themselves but my fear has always been we see people resting players the last week of the season if they are already locked into their CCG.

If the CCG's as an auto bid to the CFP become more and more "what it's all about" then it increases the odds of risk to The Game (all rivalry games actually) imo.

Delany has his sad attachment to the Rose Bowl, mine is to The Game.
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What keeps the game relevant most years now will still be relevant in the future... teams can only lose 1 game in the East and go to the CCG. So there's always the risk of dropping that game or losing a head-to-head.
This year, The Game was a play-in for the CCG.
I doubt we ever rest players for that game... and if we do, it's probably because we pushed them to the brink of being another filler school like Indiana.
 
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kujirakira said:
What keeps the game relevant most years now will still be relevant in the future... teams can only lose 1 game in the East and go to the CCG. So there's always the risk of dropping that game or losing a head-to-head.
This year, The Game was a play-in for the CCG.
I doubt we ever rest players for that game... and if we do, it's probably because we pushed them to the brink of being another filler school like Indiana.
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It’s easy to say it would never happen but it absolutely could. My point is that the risk goes from 0 to something bigger than zero.

One of the very first years the SEC had a CCG, the OBC rested players vs FSU to get ready for the SEC CG.

It can hurt more rivalries than just The Game and rivalries are a big part of what makes CFB special. IMO.
 
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