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The pain of being unrivaled

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Mike80 said:
He's talking about Ohio State. What other schools do or consider as rivals is irrelevant to Ohio State's one and only rivalry with scUM.
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Who you admit is your rival is irrelevant. Calling someone your rival is not part of the definition of a rivalry. When Buckeye fans say that, other than Michigan, there's nobody they want to beat more than PSU, or nobody they hate losing to more than PSU, that identifies PSU as their second biggest rival. It helps that over time they'll also be a bigger threat to beat OSU than any other team in the conference outside of Michigan.

Assuming Michigan ever gets back to being Michigan. How many years of the OSU-PSU game deciding the B1G East would it take before young OSU fans start to see PSU as their main rival?

Is anyone else here capable of seeing the big picture?
 
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Steve19 said:
Ohio State has one rival. There is no second rival. Penn State has frequently pushed the Buckeyes. They have a history of their own. There is not a shared history.

That is not a rival.
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Define "rival" and explain why OSU has only one. I would like to hear the logic behind that. I'm guessing it amounts to "Harrumph! Get off my lawn!"
 
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"Rival" is a subjective term in a language full of subjective terms.

If we go by the dictionary definitions of "rival: n", there are three, and every team in the B1G (at least) meets those definitions.

But we are not just talking about dictionary definitions here. When someone says, TSUN is Ohio State's Rival, the meaning that is conveyed goes a LONG way beyond any of the dictionary definitions that you will find. When someone at BP talks about who Ohio State's rival is, the word is used to convey The Buckeye Planet meaning of the term, not the Webster.com meaning of the term, which is useless in this context.

We go by the BP definition of "rival" here, which means that who we say is our rival is not only relevant, it is dispositive.

TSUN is Ohio State's rival.

Class dismissed.

Hetuck said:
Who you admit is your rival is irrelevant. Calling someone your rival is not part of the definition of a rivalry. When Buckeye fans say that, other than Michigan, there's nobody they want to beat more than PSU, or nobody they hate losing to more than PSU, that identifies PSU as their second biggest rival. It helps that over time they'll also be a bigger threat to beat OSU than any other team in the conference outside of Michigan.

Assuming Michigan ever gets back to being Michigan. How many years of the OSU-PSU game deciding the B1G East would it take before young OSU fans start to see PSU as their main rival?

Is anyone else here capable of seeing the big picture?
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Hetuck said:
Define "rival" and explain why OSU has only one. I would like to hear the logic behind that. I'm guessing it amounts to "Harrumph! Get off my lawn!"
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There is only one team that has been a steady hatred for 100+ years no matter how good or bad they are in the short term.

Everyone else comes and goes based on small runs of being good enough to simply hate

pretty simple really
 
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Hetuck said:
Who you admit is your rival is irrelevant. Calling someone your rival is not part of the definition of a rivalry. When Buckeye fans say that, other than Michigan, there's nobody they want to beat more than PSU, or nobody they hate losing to more than PSU, that identifies PSU as their second biggest rival. It helps that over time they'll also be a bigger threat to beat OSU than any other team in the conference outside of Michigan.

Assuming Michigan ever gets back to being Michigan. How many years of the OSU-PSU game deciding the B1G East would it take before young OSU fans start to see PSU as their main rival?

Is anyone else here capable of seeing the big picture?
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Michigan is back to being Michigan. This is what they are. They’ve been underachieving for 17 years. At some point, even poorer performance will be considered underachieving because this is becoming the norm.

But I’m fine with the fan base being in denial; it’s hilarious to me.
 
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NorthCoastKid said:
Pretty cool to see the last four pages of this thread dedicated to a worthless argument.

Oh, and Bucks by two TDs + on Saturday.
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It's kind of ironic because at the start of the OSU-Michigan rivalry it was the Buckeye fans who saw it as a rivalry before the Michigan fans did. Michigan won the first 13 games but every time OSU went to Ann Arbor they brought more fans than the time before. The Michigan media remarked about it at the time how the Buckeye fans kept showing up in greater numbers and with more enthusiasm only to see a losing effort. Things eventually changed and the rest is history.

That doesn't describe the relationship between OSU and PSU,of course. That's totally different. They don't have that historical connection. But it's kind of ironic to hear Buckeye fans claiming 'No, they're not our rivals, they want to be our rivals" when much of what made the Ohio State program what it is was because we forced a rivalry on the best team in the region at the time 120+ years ago.
 
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Hetuck said:
Define "rival" and explain why OSU has only one. I would like to hear the logic behind that. I'm guessing it amounts to "Harrumph! Get off my lawn!"
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It's quite simple. There is one team that we don't mention by name. There is one state that Woody Hayes would push his car from rather than buy gas. There is one rivalry in college football that is recognized as the greatest in all of sports.

Rigging your schedule to play the sisters of the poor does not buy you entry into that. Turning your back on little boys being abused in showers does not either.

They can leave the B1G tomorrow and none of us will care. They are nothing to us. They can go into dark corners and abuse themselves into a sexual frenzy all they like, they are not and will never be our rival.

That you do not see that amazes me.
 
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Here's all I will say on this.....

Look at the schedule. You will see that, as of today, there are game times for the Ped game and the Indiana game. Then.. a whole bunch of TBD and then....

12:00 noon - scUM

If you look at next year's schedule, that same game will be 12:00 noon at scUM
the following year... 12:00 noon

You see where I'm going with this?
 
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Hetuck said:
They don't have that historical connection. But it's kind of ironic to hear Buckeye fans claiming 'No, they're not our rivals, they want to be our rivals" when much of what made the Ohio State program what it is was because we forced a rivalry on the best team in the region at the time 120+ years ago.
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Isn't there a statue of limitations on irony? 120 years ago is a bit of a stretch.

Besides you could just as easily cite the Toledo war as the beginnings of the bitter dislike between the two states more so than tsun being good at football first.

Anyway maybe ask yourself this is Illinois a rival? How about Wisconsin?

Each had a spell of legitimacy and some bad blood with OSU while they were enjoying it.

No different than Penn State now. They faded back to irrelevance and so will the cult of St Joe the enabler.
 
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