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The Ohio State University Marching Band (TBDBITL)

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OHSportsFan said:
Is it this difficult to find competent leaders??
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In an atmosphere stoked by political pressure from the far ends of the spectrum, in a world where many spend an inordinate amount of time looking into anything said or done that might be construed as political incorrectness, gender bias, extremism, where a seven year BS/MA/PHD leads you to an adjunct slot paying $20K, throw in an institution where athletics and research are a multi-billion concern, where contractors, labor unions, politicians and administrators climb into the same bed; the short answer is: UBETCHA.
 
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cincibuck said:
In an atmosphere stoked by political pressure from the far ends of the spectrum, in a world where many spend an inordinate amount of time looking into anything said or done that might be construed as political incorrectness, gender bias, extremism, where a seven year BS/MA/PHD leads you to an adjunct slot paying $20K, throw in an institution where athletics and research are a multi-billion concern, where contractors, labor unions, politicians and administrators climb into the same bed; the short answer is: UBETCHA.
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To a large degree, I'm not even sure what the President's job really is at Ohio State.
Because no one person can afford to handle all of that on their own. And clearly most large Universities are able to handle the day-to-day business without a President as their searches often take months. To a large degree it seems much more like a end-of-career perk / face-of / PR job than anything else. But I think Dryden hit it on the head when he said "crisis management" should be at the top of qualifications... somebody who can keep a calm head under pressure, because there is going to be pressure from every angle imaginable.
The most disconcerting thing to me is that this cements that Drake is easily pressured by outside sources to make hasty and embarrassing decisions.
 
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kujirakira said:
It's pretty typical for academic politics though. Every department is jealous of every other department's funding and covets anything they could bring under their control.
The ivory tower is a very passive aggressive place.



Don't know about UCSF (or any of the UCs) but he'd have to completely disassociate the band from the University if they acted anything like Stanford's. Talk about "sexualized culture"... forming penises and marching in and out of the USC tunnel repeatedly, having an entire show centered around Girl's Gone Wild (the founder is apparently a USC alum), stripping to their underwear in the middle of halftime shows, and countless other shenanigans.
Then again if they played or acted anything like that, he'd probably have to flee the State and join the Witness Protection program.



To be fair that was probably the right move. Her daughter was "sexually assaulted" (which I still make the assumption that she meant raped given how its affected the family and the expelling of the perpetrator). It'd be a shame to her feathered and tarred imo.
I think in her irrational grieving, the mother took it out on the wrong person... after deciding to not prosecute the ahole in court. But it wasn't up to her to make a fraudulent report and fire Waters for something he had nothing to do with. Drake, et. al. did that all on their own.
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To be additionally fair, I heard that the daughter was a member of one of the ATHLETIC bands (not even TBDBITL), the incident took place off campus at a party, both participants were drunk, and no charges were filed against the alleged assailant. Sorry, but it doesn't pass the smell test IMHO.
 
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cincibuck said:
In an atmosphere stoked by political pressure from the far ends of the spectrum, in a world where many spend an inordinate amount of time looking into anything said or done that might be construed as political incorrectness, gender bias, extremism, where a seven year BS/MA/PHD leads you to an adjunct slot paying $20K, throw in an institution where athletics and research are a multi-billion concern, where contractors, labor unions, politicians and administrators climb into the same bed; the short answer is: UBETCHA.
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:oh:
 
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pianobuck46 said:
To be additionally fair, I heard that the daughter was a member of one of the ATHLETIC bands (not even TBDBITL), the incident took place off campus at a party, both participants were drunk, and no charges were filed against the alleged assailant. Sorry, but it doesn't pass the smell test IMHO.
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I don't want to sink to the level of Ped State and start demonizing a victim, or worse yet -- claiming they're not even a victim. So I'm happy the news station protected her identity, because some people would undoubtedly go down that route.... and just make the whole situation worse than it already is.

It to me something did happen to the daughter -- it's also mentioned in the report, and the assailant was expelled according to multiple sources. It also appears to have been immediately reported (which is a good indicator). It's unfortunate she didn't bring charges in court; just continues the status quo that rapists can get away with it. It's more unfortunate that the mother went after Waters, who had nothing to do with it.
Several of the factors you listed are also why it's not evidence of institutionalized sexual harassment.

I'm just saying, I sympathize with the family. I don't agree with the mother's actions and believe she was acting irrationally. But she didn't write a fraudulent report claiming multiple instances of sexual harassment that apparently didn't exist or fire Waters based on that report. Other people, people who are being paid by the University to act responsibly and judiciously, made those poor decisions in haste.
 
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kujirakira said:
I don't want to sink to the level of Ped State and start demonizing a victim, or worse yet -- claiming they're not even a victim. So I'm happy the news station protected her identity, because some people would undoubtedly go down that route.... and just make the whole situation worse than it already is.

It to me something did happen to the daughter -- it's also mentioned in the report, and the assailant was expelled according to multiple sources. It also appears to have been immediately reported (which is a good indicator). It's unfortunate she didn't bring charges in court; just continues the status quo that rapists can get away with it. It's more unfortunate that the mother went after Waters, who had nothing to do with it.
Several of the factors you listed are also why it's not evidence of institutionalized sexual harassment.

I'm just saying, I sympathize with the family. I don't agree with the mother's actions and believe she was acting irrationally. But she didn't write a fraudulent report claiming multiple instances of sexual harassment that apparently didn't exist or fire Waters based on that report. Other people, people who are being paid by the University to act responsibly and judiciously, made those poor decisions in haste.
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Point well taken...........but............."Duke Lacrosse?"
 
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pianobuck46 said:
To be additionally fair, I heard that the daughter was a member of one of the ATHLETIC bands (not even TBDBITL), the incident took place off campus at a party, both participants were drunk, and no charges were filed against the alleged assailant. Sorry, but it doesn't pass the smell test IMHO.
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I believe this is the outraged mother's "public" statement:
http://www.myfox28columbus.com/news...n-breaks-her-silence-33816.shtml#.U-uI72fQNdh
Waters neglected to tell the mother that he was sorry (October 2013). Drake was nice to her. (Good Guy : Bad Guy.)

There was one other incident (March 2013) on a bus trip of the Athletic Band involving a female student and her boyfriend, also an Athletic Band member. The couple engaged in "inappropriate behavior" on the bus to the tournament that resulted in complaints from other members to Jon Waters. Waters called them in and suspended both of them from the next trip and reported the incident through OSU Athletic Dept. The female then stated to Compliance that the male had lured her into his room later on that trip and assaulted her; OSU expelled the male.

The female says Waters and Athletic Director Gene Smith decided to remove her and the male from the Athletic Band. She was allowed to make the next trip, but she felt that all the other Athletic Band members treated her differently. Her father's opinion is that both Waters AND GENE SMITH handled it very badly by "punishing the victim."

Gene Smith’s office did not return 10TV’s request for comment.
Gary Lewis, Senior Director of Media and Public Relations for Ohio State issued the following statement:
"Gene Smith, nor anyone else in the Ohio State Department of Athletics, was involved with any decision made involving student members of the band at the event mentioned in the 10tv report." . . . Huh?
http://www.10tv.com/content/stories...-of-osu-marching-band-assault-speaks-out.html
 
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OHSportsFan said:
Is it this difficult to find competent leaders??
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Ummmm, maybe?

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