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The Ohio State University Marching Band (TBDBITL)

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Coqui said:
Read the posts about people who were actually involved. They said there was nothing negative if they chose not to participate. This is coming from people who actually were in the band. Including ones who said they chose not to participate.
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Yeah, I read those too. Pretty persuasive.

This has the feel of a culture that made one kid feel uncomfortable, who passed it on to mom, who threw a fit - and university lawyers saw a Title IX suit coming, so they recommended cleaning house.
 
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OSUK said:
Yeah, I read those too. Pretty persuasive.

This has the feel of a culture that made one kid feel uncomfortable, who passed it on to mom, who threw a fit - and university lawyers saw a Title IX suit coming, so they recommended cleaning house.
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Agree, yet in doing so opened up a potential legal shitstorm for Ohio State in terms of Title IX, civil liability etc. We can talk all we want to about the pussification of 'merica, but that wasn't the relevant discussion in Bricker Hall. It was about ending this now, and shutting off our legal liability, legal liability that Mr. Waters had unfortunately increased immeasurably through his actions and inactions.
 
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AKAK said:
This, on the other hand, is the problem with this whole mess. Its playing the Puritanical ideal on one hand, while allowing that kids will be kids. Let me give you a heads up, if there were legitimately bad things going on, I mean like cut and dry felonies, it doesn't matter a whole heck of a lot what was in plain sight or not. But your argument here is saying the kids have a responsibility to give the adults plausible deniability?
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That's not what I'm arguing. The word "responsibility" was probably a poor choice on my part and I'm still having trouble articulating my point of view on this. The overall point I'm trying to get at (I think) is that this kind of adversarial relationship between students and administration over behavior has existed for centuries. The traditional role of administration is to regulate behavior of its students (for a wide variety of reasons that are not necessarily Puritanical) and the traditional role of students is to subvert the administration's efforts to curtail fun misbehavior. Of course students don't have a responsibility provide plausible deniability to the administration. What I'm really trying to say is that the two groups have different interests when it comes to this kind of behavior and that in a healthy campus culture that is both academically and socially stimulating the cat-and-mouse conflict between those two groups keeps things in balance for the most part.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Agree, yet in doing so opened up a potential legal [Mark May]storm for Ohio State in terms of Title IX, civil liability etc. We can talk all we want to about the pussification of 'merica, but that wasn't the relevant discussion in Bricker Hall. It was about ending this now, and shutting off our legal liability, legal liability that Mr. Waters had unfortunately increased immeasurably through his actions and inactions.
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From what I've read (albeit on interweb forums), he has actually cut some of the shananigans out. So I'm not sure if I would say he increased the legal liability, but just the combination of the long-standing activities of the band, combined with one person telling daddy, which just happened to fall under his reign. But A) that's assuming the interwebs are reliable (so let's assume that as fact), and B) he obviously could have done more to curtail the risk of legal liability, but I don't know if he himself increased it.
 
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OSUK said:
Yeah, I read those too. Pretty persuasive.

This has the feel of a culture that made one kid feel uncomfortable, who passed it on to mom, who threw a fit - and university lawyers saw a Title IX suit coming, so they recommended cleaning house.
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My problem is that the band has 225 members, plus alternates, plus students that tried out, plus students that got beat out. And that's just the numbers for one year. Take a slice of the entire student body and you've probably got 400-500+ people on campus that know what's up in any given 4-year window, and that's first hand. Factor in the alumni and you're into the thousands.

They interviewed 10 people and concluded a pattern of sexism and debauchery?

No way. One sweatsedo wearing soccer mom complaining immediately made her child "a victim" (or whatever you want to call her), and that's bullshit. Where's the FACTS? EVIDENTS? DUE PROCESS?

BEAT NEBRASKA!!!
 
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Oh, and changing clothes on the bus is an issue? Seriously? Here's your choices:

1. Wear shorts and a t-shirt and voluntarily quick change in front of your peers before stepping off the bus.

2. Wear your button-up wool uniform for the 4+ hour crowded bus trip to East Lansing and be proud you were modest when you died from heat stroke.
 
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Dryden said:
Oh, and changing clothes on the bus is an issue? Seriously? Here's your choices:

1. Wear shorts and a t-shirt and voluntarily quick change in front of your peers before stepping off the bus.

2. Wear your button-up wool uniform for the 4+ hour crowded bus trip to East Lansing and be proud you were modest when you died from heat stroke.
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This whole controversy has got to be the stupidest thing I ever heard of, and I hope the petition thing does the trick. Since there's only six weeks left before the university has to field a band, it wouldn't hurt if the entire band stood up as a unit. Solidarity never hurts.

What a bunch of hypocritical morons. I suppose if they made a movie about the hiring of a new director. they could call it "Inherit The Winds". Sheesh! :no:
 
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