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The Ohio State University Marching Band (TBDBITL)

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I have one question though. WTF does any of this have to do with Title IX? I keep hearing that Title IX is involved in the investigation but as far as I understand it Title IX is all about the equal trreatment of genders in sports. Not weather or not sexual nicknames or hazing are sexual harassment epecially when the issue seems to apply equally to all genders in this case.
 
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dragurd said:
I have one question though. WTF does any of this have to do with Title IX? I keep hearing that Title IX is involved in the investigation but as far as I understand it Title IX is all about the equal trreatment of genders in sports. Not weather or not sexual nicknames or hazing are sexual harassment epecially when the issue seems to apply equally to all genders in this case.
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Title IX doesn't cover just equal opportunity in sports. It's within the United States Education Amendments Act of 1972...participation in sports is just a portion of it.
 
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cincibuck said:
Agree with all you say here except blaming the media. They simply printed what the OSU Compliance listed as charges. Being PC seems to lead some to believe their actions are above reproach.
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I get your point, but in JOOBS own words "it was not until this report was published" that she felt sexualized.

Yes, it is the role of the media to publish such reports. And no, it is not their responsibility to verify 100% the veracity of every such report that in itself constitutes news. But the damage is done nonetheless despite any Absence of Malice. (The reporting was accurate, it just may not have been true.)
 
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Coqui said:
And as we know, media has never spun anything to push an agenda.
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...or to sell more papers, increase viewership, gain listeners.

My point would remain that it's the PC folks inside the compliance office who wrote a public document without considering the ironic possibilities it contained. It's also on the compliance office to not just uncover evidence, but to examine the source and meaning of the evidence before placing in a document that can't be retracted.

As for the band community, it's a mistake to turn word-of-mouth "traditions" into printed documents that could be - in fact were - turned into a means to indict band traditions.
 
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MaliBuckeye said:
It's also a bit of a catch 22, it seems- if you don't supervise students while they do things, someone gets hurt and the university gets sued. If you do supervise them, there's a seemingly still under development protocol for how to respond without getting yourself in hot water.
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Exactly. The BD appears to have been a victim of circumstance. Adhere to the rules strictly and you run the risk of a stale environment. Bend the rules and you run the risk of getting the axe.
 
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Coqui said:
And as we know, media has never spun anything to push an agenda.
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How is the media to blame for an investigation and report conducted and issued by the university -- I'm not sure what they even could have spun here? The report was pretty straightforward, I think.

It's not like the media is out chasing down disgruntled former members and printing hit pieces on Waters.
 
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Oh8ch said:
How do we do that without over reacting? For starters you react to evidence of actual harm, not complaints from an offended parent.
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Isn't that a bit like waiting to fix a broken barn door until the cows have already escaped because none of the cows have tried to escape yet? When there is actual harm done to the victims (or whatever you want to call them), isn't that a bit late to start worrying about what you could have done differently?
 
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One final point....if there is nothing wrong with what's going on, why is it such a big secret? And why does everyone in a position of authority deny knowing about it?
 
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Fungo Squiggly said:
How is the media to blame for an investigation and report conducted and issued by the university -- I'm not sure what they even could have spun here? The report was pretty straightforward, I think.

It's not like the media is out chasing down disgruntled former members and printing hit pieces on Waters.
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Actually they are. I got a couple of requests from the media because I replied once on their story that this had been happening long before Waters was on. They wanted me to find people who had issues with this. They didn't care that I had people who said there was nothing out of ordinary occurring here that you wouldn't find in any other organization.

Also, if you read the responses from the people who's nicknames were published, you will see that these people were asked if it was ok to have those nicknames. These people were asked if they wanted to participate in midnight ramp. These people were asked if they were ok doing things that were in the report. None of it was forced on them.
 
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Coqui said:
Actually they are. I got a couple of requests from the media because I replied once on their story that this had been happening long before Waters was on. They wanted me to find people who had issues with this. They didn't care that I had people who said there was nothing out of ordinary occurring here that you wouldn't find in any other organization.
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Fair enough. Doesn't seem like they have found anyone yet.
 
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Coqui said:
None of it was forced on them.
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Except social pressure and when dealing with college students, especially freshmen, that's a powerful inducement.

Frankly I'm wondering how much contact/knowledge college officials have with college students, period. Nicknames? Yelling and cursing at students? If someone recorded what goes on in the locker rooms of damn near any college sports team, if you put a mic on a sideline coach without a bleeper, if you spent a night in a dorm, a frat house, or in one of the rooming houses on 19th, you'd look at this and wonder what the complaining parent was worried about.

In fact, if you want to soil your armor, hang out in the parking lot of your average suburban high school after the dismissal bell. How we live long enough to reproduce or ever develop friends is a wonder.
 
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