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The Ohio State University Marching Band (TBDBITL)

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Also, a bunch of guys that probably haven't gotten laid yet (because honestly, if you're a band geek in HS you probably weren't getting much unless you looked like a star athlete somehow) making tons of sexually charged jokes? Who didn't see that coming.

The midnight practice in underwear is iffy, and yeah, the staff could have really put a stop to it if they wanted, but so far it doesn't seem like there was violence or misappropriate action at that annual event that I've read. Outside of that, though, nothing jumps out at me as institutionally inappropriate. If none of the parody songs were written within the last few years there's only so much you can do to crack down on that before it just gets tedious and ridiculous.

EDIT: Well, @BayBuck just confirmed what I had been wondering, someone probably pushed it farther than any student had, which is why this is likely happening.
 
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What we have here is a simple case of a bunch of bandos trying to convince themselves and each other that they're not gay. Is that really surprising? And then you have their parody of the Texas A&M song, which amounts to the perfect storm of sexual insecurity.
 
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Fungo Squiggly said:
I'll play devil's advocate for a bit.....

This isn't a fraternity, it is a class. Would anyone be okay with a history professor allowing this to go on in his class?
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If I got the same fame for said history class (as I would being in TBDBITL) then sign me up. A few sexual jokes, some sexual nicknames, and questionable traditions - big deal, thats every day in my job.

Waters is the Tressel of the OSU Marching Band; he is the scapegoat for everyone else to keep their jobs.
 
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To build on the Devil's Advocate position...not exactly saying this isn't an overreaction, but as the one article stated, it is probably a very bad idea for the director (Waters) to be referring to the female band members by their sexual nicknames. Kids will be kids, to some extent, and hazing, if it gets to that point, can be dealt with through proper channels...40-year-old directors should know better regardless. Whether you think it's right or not, the consequences can't be a shock.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
What we have here is a simple case of a bunch of bandos trying to convince themselves and each other that they're not gay. Is that really surprising? And then you have their parody of the Texas A&M song, which amounts to the perfect storm of sexual insecurity.
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I am incredibly fascinated, entertained, and humored by this post.

On the other hand, I have a 21 year old daughter. She can't play a kazoo and was a hoops player. But if she did do the band thing at OSU, and she was being pressured or forced to do the things that were going on, I would be loading up for a trip to CBus to kick someone's ass.

The interesting thing is it probably wouldn't have been Water's.
 
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OSUK said:
I am incredibly fascinated, entertained, and humored by this post.

On the other hand, I have a 21 year old daughter. She can't play a kazoo and was a hoops player. But if she did do the band thing at OSU, and she was being pressured or forced to do the things that were going on, I would be loading up for a trip to CBus to kick someone's ass.

The interesting thing is it probably wouldn't have been Water's.
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As you say yourself, she's 21. She doesn't need Dad coming down to campus to kick anyone's ass for her. She's free to play along with the culture, walk away from it, report it, sue or any other response that she might consider appropriate. She's an adult. What's going to happen when she runs into an uncomfortable culture later in life in a corporation or law firm or the military? Is Dad going to need to step in and protect her? Kids have to learn to fend for themselves, and I think 21 is as good a time as any if not a few years past it.

As for my original comment, I was just speculating on a group who probably had their sexuality questioned in high school overcompensating in the opposite direction. That's hardly groundbreaking psychology on my part. And from reading through some of the parody songs, I'm betting a lot of them might be a decade or two or more old and handed down through the generations.
 
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Coqui said:
Clearly you weren't in high school band.
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Actually, marching band in 9th and 10th, regular band since I was in like 5th grade, jazz all four years of HS, and then in college both pep bands (yay for twice the pay!), jazz combo and ensemble, and wind ensemble. :biggrin2:

However, I went to HS in a small Indiana town where "everyone" went to church and those two years of college band activities were at a private Christian university, so my band life wasn't exactly big time HS or college style. Still, I had a few friends who did marching band at Purdue and Ball State, so I heard plenty of stories and learned enough about big college band culture.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
As you say yourself, she's 21. She doesn't need Dad coming down to campus to kick anyone's ass for her. She's free to play along with the culture, walk away from it, report it, sue or any other response that she might consider appropriate. She's an adult. What's going to happen when she runs into an uncomfortable culture later in life in a corporation or law firm or the military? Is Dad going to need to step in and protect her? Kids have to learn to fend for themselves, and I think 21 is as good a time as any if not a few years past it.

As for my original comment, I was just speculating on a group who probably had their sexuality questioned in high school overcompensating in the opposite direction. That's hardly groundbreaking psychology on my part. And from reading through some of the parody songs, I'm betting a lot of them might be a decade or two or more old and handed down through the generations.
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I agree with your reasoning for the most part, but I don't think you have a daughter.

If you do something sexual to my daughter that is upsetting to her, my instincts are to kick your ass. If you are more than I can handle, I will bring cousins, nephews, etc. It's the Appalachia in me and I can't get rid of it. Good dads protect their Punkins, and it doesn't matter how old they are.
 
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Generations past, at the same ages, won WWII. The first coach I worked for, in the only time I ever saw him drunk, discussed killing his first man in Vietnam, at age 19, with a knife in the bush in complete darkness and chaos.

I just don't know anymore. It doesn't pay to speak up and it surely is not worth it. One can't understand anymore because the PC filter has been jacked up to 8.5 and is approaching 10.

Harrison Bergeron is about to appear.
 
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