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THE GAME, tOSU at tCun, Sat. 11/25, 12pm ET, FOX

Best untold stories of college football's Rivalry Week​

Buckeyes' double-bird man​

Ohio State at Michigan, Saturday, noon ET, Fox

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Marcus Hall knew all about the Ohio State-Michigan rivalry long before he became a member of the Buckeyes.

A Cleveland native, Hall could recount the star players, the Woody Hayes-Bo Schembechler battles, the gold pants tradition and the spiciest moments, like the fight between Ohio State's David Boston and Michigan's Charles Woodson in 1997. After signing with Ohio State, Hall couldn't wait to be part of college football's highest-profile series.

Ten years ago, he unexpectedly carved a place in Ohio State-Michigan lore -- with two fingers.

The 2013 game pitted the third-ranked Buckeyes, 11-0 that season and 23-0 overall under coach Urban Meyer, against a 7-4 Michigan team at Ann Arbor. Hall, a fifth-year senior, was Ohio State's starting right guard. He had started the previous season against Michigan, helping the Buckeyes to a win that capped a perfect first season under Meyer (the team was ineligible for postseason play).

"I was nervous as heck, but playing in that game, it's like, 'OK, I'm officially a Buckeye,'" Hall said. "That's like your stamp."

Hall couldn't wait for his final go-round in The Game. He remembers the trip up to Michigan and hanging out with quarterback Braxton Miller and his other close friends on the team. The pregame atmosphere was "intense," as the teams exchanged words in the stadium tunnel.

After Michigan took the lead early in the second quarter, Ohio State's Dontre Wilson returned a kickoff and was tackled, only to get up surrounded by Wolverines. Pushes and punches ensued, and within seconds, players from both sidelines had entered the field as flags flew.

"I thought it was a bench-clearing brawl," Hall said. "I'm like, 'I'm definitely going on this field to protect my guys.' I was an offensive lineman. That's naturally what we do. I wasn't going to be the only guy not out there."
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A decade after his infamous salute, Marcus Hall still gets a flurry of orders for his T-shirts this time each year.
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Way too late in the week to drop my FUCK *ichigan in this thread, been a hectic Hate Week. Really feel this is going to be one of the more epic games in the rivalry with how evenly the teams are matched and all that has happened this season. All that said, I like our trajectory heading into this one and this team has the look of greatness, especially the defense. I expect this to be a low scoring, classic B1G affair.

RB07OSU early pick is 20-17 OSU in a nail biter. If we blow their doors off that would of course be preferred.
 
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They both picked Ohio State to win. They noted that their model absolutely does not know what to think of Michigan, and that the model tanked Michigan after the Maryland game. Heavy hinting that the thing that is going on is the shift from cheating their asses off to not being able to any longer.

They specifically note that Michigan's offense, and especially their passing offense, is predicated on rolling McCarthy away from pressure and throwing on the run, and that against Maryland, for some completely unknown reason, they rolled McCarthy into pressure on multiple occasions and completely blew up their play.
 
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Best untold stories of college football's Rivalry Week​

Buckeyes' double-bird man​

Ohio State at Michigan, Saturday, noon ET, Fox

hallbird354.gif


Marcus Hall knew all about the Ohio State-Michigan rivalry long before he became a member of the Buckeyes.

A Cleveland native, Hall could recount the star players, the Woody Hayes-Bo Schembechler battles, the gold pants tradition and the spiciest moments, like the fight between Ohio State's David Boston and Michigan's Charles Woodson in 1997. After signing with Ohio State, Hall couldn't wait to be part of college football's highest-profile series.

Ten years ago, he unexpectedly carved a place in Ohio State-Michigan lore -- with two fingers.

The 2013 game pitted the third-ranked Buckeyes, 11-0 that season and 23-0 overall under coach Urban Meyer, against a 7-4 Michigan team at Ann Arbor. Hall, a fifth-year senior, was Ohio State's starting right guard. He had started the previous season against Michigan, helping the Buckeyes to a win that capped a perfect first season under Meyer (the team was ineligible for postseason play).

"I was nervous as heck, but playing in that game, it's like, 'OK, I'm officially a Buckeye,'" Hall said. "That's like your stamp."

Hall couldn't wait for his final go-round in The Game. He remembers the trip up to Michigan and hanging out with quarterback Braxton Miller and his other close friends on the team. The pregame atmosphere was "intense," as the teams exchanged words in the stadium tunnel.

After Michigan took the lead early in the second quarter, Ohio State's Dontre Wilson returned a kickoff and was tackled, only to get up surrounded by Wolverines. Pushes and punches ensued, and within seconds, players from both sidelines had entered the field as flags flew.

"I thought it was a bench-clearing brawl," Hall said. "I'm like, 'I'm definitely going on this field to protect my guys.' I was an offensive lineman. That's naturally what we do. I wasn't going to be the only guy not out there."
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A decade after his infamous salute, Marcus Hall still gets a flurry of orders for his T-shirts this time each year.
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Gimme that shirt though
 
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Best untold stories of college football's Rivalry Week​

Buckeyes' double-bird man​

Ohio State at Michigan, Saturday, noon ET, Fox

hallbird354.gif


Marcus Hall knew all about the Ohio State-Michigan rivalry long before he became a member of the Buckeyes.

A Cleveland native, Hall could recount the star players, the Woody Hayes-Bo Schembechler battles, the gold pants tradition and the spiciest moments, like the fight between Ohio State's David Boston and Michigan's Charles Woodson in 1997. After signing with Ohio State, Hall couldn't wait to be part of college football's highest-profile series.

Ten years ago, he unexpectedly carved a place in Ohio State-Michigan lore -- with two fingers.

The 2013 game pitted the third-ranked Buckeyes, 11-0 that season and 23-0 overall under coach Urban Meyer, against a 7-4 Michigan team at Ann Arbor. Hall, a fifth-year senior, was Ohio State's starting right guard. He had started the previous season against Michigan, helping the Buckeyes to a win that capped a perfect first season under Meyer (the team was ineligible for postseason play).

"I was nervous as heck, but playing in that game, it's like, 'OK, I'm officially a Buckeye,'" Hall said. "That's like your stamp."

Hall couldn't wait for his final go-round in The Game. He remembers the trip up to Michigan and hanging out with quarterback Braxton Miller and his other close friends on the team. The pregame atmosphere was "intense," as the teams exchanged words in the stadium tunnel.

After Michigan took the lead early in the second quarter, Ohio State's Dontre Wilson returned a kickoff and was tackled, only to get up surrounded by Wolverines. Pushes and punches ensued, and within seconds, players from both sidelines had entered the field as flags flew.

"I thought it was a bench-clearing brawl," Hall said. "I'm like, 'I'm definitely going on this field to protect my guys.' I was an offensive lineman. That's naturally what we do. I wasn't going to be the only guy not out there."
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A decade after his infamous salute, Marcus Hall still gets a flurry of orders for his T-shirts this time each year.
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Did not know those t-shirts were his

Might just have to get one
 
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They both picked Ohio State to win. They noted that their model absolutely does not know what to think of Michigan, and that the model tanked Michigan after the Maryland game. Heavy hinting that the thing that is going on is the shift from cheating their asses off to not being able to any longer.

They specifically note that Michigan's offense, and especially their passing offense, is predicated on rolling McCarthy away from pressure and throwing on the run, and that against Maryland, for some completely unknown reason, they rolled McCarthy into pressure on multiple occasions and completely blew up their play.

Expanding on why the model is so confused by Michigan, which is my speculation and not theirs (although they did hint at cheating being the reason):

The computer sees a UM team that dominates less against the worst teams it plays OOC (because they don’t have a seasons worth of illegally scouted data on each, resulting in things like three interceptions against BG), and then it sees a team absolutely steam rolling its mediocre B1G opponents at historic levels, and then it sees that historically good team fall off a cliff on passing offense the final two weeks of the season, and then fall off a cliff on passing defense the final week of the season... it's very obvious why the model is confused.

And it’s also data point number 45 that the cheating had a significant impact on their game performances.
 
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And it’s also data point number 45 that the cheating had a significant impact on their game performances.

That's the thing the media seemingly doesn't want to touch. They steadfastly refuse to acknowledge that the games were tainted. They're clinging to the belief that all was pure and legit after the whistle blew.
 
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That's the thing the media seemingly doesn't want to touch. They steadfastly refuse to acknowledge that the games were tainted. They're clinging to the belief that all was pure and legit after the whistle blew.
Even the Ohio State beat is weirdly hesitant to address it directly for the most part.

It does coincide with UM playing the two best teams they have all season, but the contrast is stark.

They also say things like “UM was able to move the ball with chunk plays last year and they’ll need to do that again” while not addressing at all that knowing pre-snap when to take the deep shot against zero coverage was potentially the biggest factor in the ability to hit those chunk plays.
 
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… the model … sees that historically good team fall off a cliff on passing offense the final two weeks of the season, and then fall off a cliff on passing defense the final week of the season... it's very obvious why the model is confused.

And it’s also data point number 45 that the cheating had a significant impact on their game performances.
An interesting piece of this…

Why are they “falling off a cliff” in stages?
Why wasn’t the cliff steeper?

The answer is something that I call the Doubt Snowball. I don’t know what you call it, but it’s such a common part of the human psychological experience that you already know what I’m talking about, even if you don’t have a name for it.

Part of any contest is about how good each team is; part is about the confidence each team has. Versus MSU, TCUN were much better and were more confident. Versus PSU, they were a little better at some positions, but not all. As for confidence, PSU in general and Allar in particular had their confidence Chewed up and spit out by the Buckeyes just two weeks earlier, and that certainly affected the game. BUT… PSU was still good enough to make some plays here and there against TCUN. Some cracks started to show in the CUNTS’ confidence. Then they went to Maryland, and while the Terps made enough mistakes to give the game away, they also made enough plays that the cracks in the CUNTS’ confidence began to widen.

Fast forward to Saturday, they’ll be playing the first game against superior talent since their crib sheets were effectively confiscated. The Buckeyes will make plays. The doubt that was a pebble vs PSU and gained momentum vs Maryland will start to snowball as it rolls downhill.

The Doubt Snowball has decided battles throughout history.

TCUN is a kid walking into a final exam shortly after having his crib sheet confiscated

Buckeyes by 3 Touchdowns

Seriously


Just so as to ensure that outcome: The Buckeyes have no chance at all this week, there’s no way they win
 
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