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TampaBuckeyes
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Yes yes yes. We need the 4 stories programs to be great again. PSU and OSU are on the right track. I really hope for Nebraska and ttun to have a terrible season and then maybe they will make a big coaching hire. Both have the potential to recruit nationally they just need the coach. After that I don't give two shits about the other 8. On an average year two will show up. Just like on an average year one of the big 4 will be rebuilding. That gives us 5 top 25 on an average year. All we need is for Nebraska and ttun to clean house and I think both of those could happen.
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TampaBuckeyes
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One problem is the other schools don't give a shit about conference power. I cheer for every big ten school. Whereas every PSU or wisky or Msu fan I know hopes for OSU to lose every game. They were all so happy after week 2. They wants to lose more than they want their team to win. I think the idea is they are holding us back in our national title hopes where they just want to win the big ten and the media has no effect on that.
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Eh, I openly root for scUM and Ped Aggy to lose. Eff em. I also used to root for Wiscy to lose, but I've softened a bit on that since Bert left. I understand wanting to see conference-mates do well, but I don't follow it. Leave that for the $EC.
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TampaBuckeyes
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How about first 10k of coaches salary come out of the main pool, then it gets divided up evenly. That may change things.
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TampaBuckeyes
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In ooc games I'm a big ten fan. That said I still get a warm feeling when I see ttun or ped aggy fail.
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Nutriaitch
Retired Super Hero
no, I'm saying the way college football is viewed in the South is different than in the North (i'm guessing because I've never spent any time in the North).
Here in the South, you have a total of 14 professional sports teams (not counting Hockey because I have no idea where any of those teams play) in the SEC footprint prior to adding Texas.
6 of those 14 have been here less than 25 years.
So for generations, all anyone here had to rally around and root for was the college teams. Even the colleges that are traditionally mediocre at best. Any kid with any athletic ability at all wanted to go and play football at those schools because it's what they know and love. They typically don't choose another sport, and they typically don't leave the region.
So a kid in Louisiana who is talented more than likely grew up rooting and dreaming of playing for LSU. That gives us a head start on every other team in the country for that kid.
In the North, you have 25 professional sports teams in the BigTen footprint, prior to adding Rutgers and Maryland. So if your local college is terrible every year, so what. you have multiple professional teams in multiple sports to devote your loyalty to.
and when those athletes are ready to go to college and play sports, they're not picking Indiana in football. Once the traditional peers get their pick of the litter the rest of the great athletes are either choosing a completely different sport or leaving the region.
Because they are not necessarily diehard loyalists to the Northwesterns, Illinois, Minnesotas and even Iowas of the world.
So a kid who grew up in Chicago probably grew up loving the Bears, but not necessarily the Illini or Northwestern, or even Notre Dame. So when it's time for him to choose his college, he has no ties pulling him any one direction. And he is more likely to do something other than football at Iowa.
It may be baseball in the South, basketball in Big Ten or Tobacco Road or football god only knows where.
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MaxBuck
SoCal, Baby!
I spent ten years living in the S-E-C. (Alabama, if anyone cares, but did lots of work in MS, Lousiana, Arkansas, Florida and Georgia). Honestly, the football was better in the South then (1980s) but obviously has gotten even better since then.
Bottom line: top to bottom, football is better in the South than in the North. Don't think that will change. Best we can hope for is that occasionally tOSU, Oregon or somebody similar will come up with a team that can beat the best of the South. But so long as thugs like Jameis Winston are tolerated by ostensibly Christian head coaches like that idiot Jimbo, this won't happen frequently.
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Yeah I noticed that reading back through the scores. Maryland loses to WVU (not the worst loss but not good either). Indiana loses to Bowling Green (Indiana is not our best team but losing to a middling MAC school still is really, really bad). Iowa loses to Iowa State (on of our middle teams loses to one of the worst in the Big 12). Washington throttles Illinois (Illinois is likely our worst team but getting beat up like that is inexcusable). Minnesota gets destroyed by TCU (Minnesota was perceived to be one of the better B1G teams and potentially top 25, then they get eaten alive by a Big 12 bottom feeder this year). Purdue beaten handily by ND (not a surprise). PSU squeaks past a mediocre Rutgers team.
I mean seriously, quit making fucking excuses and get better. I know the $EC cheats, blah blah blah. Then cheat back, pay coaches better, recruit better, man up, and start winning meaningful games. I hate the SEC as much as anyone and that is why I want to get better and start competing with them. Seriously, our conference could rightfully start being lumped in with the MAC and the Big East soon if we don't nut up and get better...I mean, it isn't like we are beating those conferences all that bad. The only real difference is we have barely enough higher-tier teams to surpass them. Right now, we don't even belong in the same discussion as the SEC, Pac 12, and maybe even the Big 12 and ACC (our top conference team likely in the Buckeyes lost to VT, who looks primed for another .500 in conference record after that horrendous loss on Saturday).
And for those who don't care about conference strength or perception...if we end up 12-1 along with many of these other teams in better conferences, I am sure you will be singing a different tune when nobody in the playoff committee thinks we should be in the playoffs due to our weak conference and results in non-conference bouts. Our conference did not win a single meaningful game outside the conference, that is now set in stone. Hell, unless teams absolutely fall apart, I would not vote a B1G team in given that scenario. Matt Millan mentioned this in our broadcast against KSU and while I appreciate his neutral insight, I wholeheartedly disagree unless absolute cannibalism occurs to the other conferences throughout the season. Irrelevancy can mean lots of things. In the context of the playoffs, I think we are completely irrelevant. In the context of the remaining bowl bids, we are somewhat relevant. But that should not be accepted for the B1G.
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To @Nutriaitch 's point, Minnesota's football program was very strong.... up to about 1960. Their last of 7 National Championships..... Guess what pro football team started in 1961.
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ShowMeBuck
You know what? Chicken butt.
Add Texas and Oklahoma. Look at how the conference is divided. Just move Purdue to the east. Play a 9 game conference schedule - everyone on your side plus a rotating 1 out of 4 for each pod in the division on the other side. The pods on each side would be Maryland, Rutgers, Penn State and tOSU. Then you have TTUN, Mich State, Purdue and Indiana. For the West you have a pod of Minn, Wiscy, NW and Illinois making the last pod Nebraska, Iowa, Texas and OU.
You want to fix the conference? Do WHATEVER IT TAKES to make that happen.
You want to fix the conference? Do WHATEVER IT TAKES to make that happen.
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Let's assume that the SEC cheats as badly as everyone thinks. Does that cheating really affect the B1G?
If Alabama "buys" a player, they are outbidding Auburn for a southern kid ... and Auburn is outbidding LSU for another southern kid ... and LSU is outbidding Tennessee for someone else from down south. Very few kids are heading to SEC schools from outside of the region, so the SEC is not "stealing" a lot of talent from the Big Ten (or from anywhere else for that matter). If they are cheating at all, then the SEC schools are stealing from one another. The internecine recruiting wars in the Deep South should not really affect the schools outside of that region.
In the 2014 recruiting class, 132 high school prospects signed with the traditional SEC powers - Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, and Tennessee - and 106 (or 80.3%) were from the deep south (Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Louisiana, Arkansas, Texas). Here's how each school recruited:
Alabama: 22 signees, 16 from Deep South
Auburn: 18 signees, 17 from Deep South
Florida: 23 signees, 17 from Deep South
Georgia: 19 signees, 17 from Deep South
LSU: 23 signees, 21 from Deep South
Tennessee: 27 signees, 18 from Deep South
Not surprisingly, Tennessee, being the most northern school and having a coach with northern ties, had more recruits from outside of the SEC region. Alabama, with its recent success, was able to sign six players from outside of the region, including the #1 OC, the #3 DE, the #4 OG, and the #7 QB.
Here's a complete list of SEC signees from outside of the Deep South, with Scout position rankings:
Atlantic Coast Region (ACC)
#4 QB Davidson NC (Florida)
#4 TE Charlotte NC (Georgia)
#13 DT Fayetteville NC (Georgia)
#17 RB Havelock NC (Tennessee)
#61 CB Greensboro NC (Tennessee)
#3 DE Woodbridge VA (Alabama)
#5 OC Max Meadows VA (Tennessee)
#33 TE Elkton MD (Tennessee)
#5 CB Washington DC (Florida)
#24 CB Washington DC (Tennessee)
Midwest Region (Big Ten)
#5 TE Minster OH (Tennessee)
#41 WR Cincinnati OH (Alabama)
#72 DE Shaker Heights OH (Tennessee)
#1 MLB Plainfield IL (LSU)
#3 TE Chatham IL (Tennessee)
#16 DE O'Fallon IL (Tennessee)
#4 OG Cedar Falls IA (Alabama)
#1 OC Woodbury MN (Alabama)
Great Plains Region (Big 12)
#1 OG Olathe KS (Auburn)
#17 TE Derby KS (Florida)
#7 QB Norman OK (Alabama)
#15 DE Oklahoma City OK (LSU)
Elsewhere
#23 DT Brooklyn NY (Florida)
#44 OT Tucson AZ (Florida)
#64 OT Casper WY (Florida)
NR P Denver CO (Alabama)
To recap, the SEC powers signed 132 high school prospects in 2014, 106 from the deep south (80.3%); 10 from the Atlantic Coast (7.6%); 8 from the Midwest (6.1%); 4 from the Great Plains (3.0%); and 4 from the other parts of the country (3.0%).
The SEC is not hurting the B1G in terms of numbers of recruits signed, but SEC teams are grabbing some top talent from the Midwest Region. There is no reason why the top prospects in Illinois, Iowa, and Minnesota should be heading south instead of signing with their hometown schools.
The bigger problem is that the Big Ten teams are losing dozens of top prospects to programs that have no business raiding the region for talent. Of the top 150 prospects in the Midwest, 76 signed with Big Ten schools, and 7 went unsigned. Of the remaining 67 prospects, 8 signed with Notre Dame and 8 signed with the SEC powers listed above, all of which is understandable. However, 51 prospects - more than one-third of the top high schools players in the Midwest - either signed outside the region with non-premium programs or within the region with non-B1G programs, including 9 with Kentucky, 6 with Cincinnati, 4 with Louisville, and 13 with MAC schools (7 with Western Michigan alone!). Schools like Indiana, Purdue, and Illinois will never recover if their coaching staffs keep losing players to Western Michigan.
Meanwhile in the Deep South, the SEC schools locked up 83 of the local prospects, and 20 were unsigned. Of the remaining 47 prospects, 29 signed with regional powers (11 to Miami, 11 to Florida State, and 7 to Clemson), and 18 signed elsewhere including 6 to national powers (3 to Notre Dame, 2 to Ohio State, 1 to Michigan); 8 to ACC schools (4 to North Carolina, 3 to North Carolina State, and 1 to Virginia Tech). Only 3 prospects signed to non-Power5 conferences (2 to USF, 1 to UCF); needless to say, the MAC schools signed no one from that list.
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