Thad Matta (OSU's All Time Winningest Coach & 3x B1G COY, Butler HC)

[Bleed S & G]

who has the resources available that are at a school like theosu?
who has a state with one major school?
who has the following, the brand and potential to use another big sport as leverage?
who has the cash that a school like theosu has?

what job is actually a better job?

Theres an answer i agree with :)

 

[Bleed S & G]

Who says Matta feels like he's being disrespected? Who says he perceives that he is respected less than Jim Tressel?

Big salary, nice facilities, and lots of respect probably are fine. When he hits a down year, and he will hit a down year, he knows it is best to NOT be the only show in town.

Does Matta seem unhappy to anyone? OK, then why is this discussion continuing? We've got potential recruits visiting BP. Why make it appear that something is an issue when it doesn't seem to be.

Will Matta move on? Maybe he will. When, gee, let me get out my crystal ball. If cash isn't enough, gosh, what will we do?

The sky, the sky, I tell you the sky is falling!

Look folks, eventually he is gonna die even if he doesn't leave for another job. There, now can we move on?

Because I argued the answers I was reciving.. God forbid we have a discussion.. and yes Dryden, a desirable coach is a very good thing to have I agree 100%

a potential recruit looks at my post, posing a hypothetical question, about our coach going elsewhere because he is damn good & deserves to be the main guy, not behind a great football coach.. whats the problem with that? Its a message board.. i doubt hypothetical questions are gonna make a big name recruit say no to our school, especially when it centers around him being an awesome coach.

i mean lets be honest the last time we had coaches of this caliber in both sports was fred taylor & woody hayes.. its an awesome thing we have right now.. who wouldn't want to be a part of it?

Just curious to see what others thoughts were on the idea of him leaving, for the pure and simple fact that tOSU is (appears) more "interested" in football sucess. Like I orginally stated, it came up at lunch and wanted to discuss it with fellow die-hards.. if thats a problem, im sorry.. dont mean to scare any recruits away because they read that Bleed S & G can see him going to a bigger basketball school in a couple years yeah the sky is sure falling now

 

[zincfinger]

I didn't say [having a strong football program] makes [the basketball HC job] less appealing. Nor did I say a struggling football program is why UK's BBall job is appealing. Its appealing because of the tradition. I don't consider football tradition a negative either, all i'm saying is tOSU is not as big a bball school as a UK, or other program with a rich bball tradition.

No, you didn't say that, it just seemed like an obvious corollary to the second-fiddle concept. I agree that UK's basketball tradition is second-to-none, and for that reason it could conceivably be a draw to any coach. I just don't think the historical success of the football program has much to do with it.

 

[jwinslow]

Theres an answer i agree with :)

So you don't think there's a better job out there?

Because I argued the answers I was reciving.. God forbid we have a discussion.. and yes Dryden, a desirable coach is a very good thing to have I agree 100%

It's a cyclical discussion that never ends, and revolves around an unreachable answer. Even if Matta states he'll never leave OSU, people will point to his similar comments at Xavier.

a potential recruit looks at my post, posing a hypothetical question, about our coach going elsewhere because he is damn good & deserves to be the main guy, not behind a great football coach.. whats the problem with that?

I don't understand this logic. Why does he deserve to be the main guy over JT?

I'm not so sure being THE guy is as wonderful as you suggest. Look how it is treating Fulmer or Tubby.

i mean lets be honest the last time we had coaches of this caliber in both sports was fred taylor & woody hayes.. its an awesome thing we have right now.. who wouldn't want to be a part of it?

I'm not sure what this has to do with the subject... you seem to be arguing quite the opposite.

Just curious to see what others thoughts were on the idea of him leaving, for the pure and simple fact that tOSU is (appears) more "interested" in football sucess.

From what standpoint? Besides the obvious difference in tradition, elite football programs destroy their basketball counterparts in revenue. OSU BB earns almost 6x as much as Duke BB (or OSU BB, for that matter).

 

[jimotis4heisman]

nine final fours (8 w/out 99)
16 b10 titles (11 outright)
vca record .85 (give or take based on vacated games)

year/rank/attendance
06 11th 15389
05 16th 13715
04 18th 14521
03 10th 16057
02 5th 16603
01 4th 17540
00 5th 18702
99 7th 17723
98 39th 9970
st john
97 36th 10563
96 32nd 11713
95 33 11068
94 21 13276
93 16 13203
92 20 13276
91 15 13256
90 23 13009
88 14 14887

http://www.ncaa.org/stats/m_basketball/attendance/2004_basketball_attend.pdf
change the date to match what year youd like.


you want to take to me about historic programs. i hope this has proved some what of a history lesson for you...

 

[jwinslow]

you want to take to me about historic programs. i hope this has proved some what of a history lessen for you...

No lesson here, I'm pretty sure we've been down this road before.

I didn't say OSU bball has no tradition. Do you feel the difference in tradition of OSU FB & BB is negligible?

 

[Bleed S & G]

Not going to say tOSU has no BBall tradition, i already know the opposite.. but compare to UK

and, by the way, the orginal question wasn't about tradition or success over the years.. but was about playing second fiddle.. which many of you believe dosen't matter and in fact Matta enjoys it because it means the fans are less hard on him.. not saying I agree.. not saying I entirley disagree with that either

 

[jimotis4heisman]

No lesson here, I'm pretty sure we've been down this road before.

I didn't say OSU bball has no tradition. Do you feel the difference in tradition of OSU FB & BB is negligible?

nope. theosu in football is in the elite group. in football id group teams like usc, michigan, theosu, oklahoma teams like that (8 to 12 teams with elite stature).

basketball is in the second category. its not ucla, kansas, unc, duke. its in the next group. its just a program that is yes id say overlooked by its football teams stature. that being said, the history is better than that of many "basketball schools"

people dont realize it. maybe cuz its not as out there as the football heritage, something matta has worked on and needs to continue to emphasis. i really love his team picnic that he does every year. its a great way to relate that to players.


the next step is getting this out. sure the banners are great. but, more needs to be done. you have a grove of football all americans to walk kids through down my the towers. i mean its something when you plant a tree for every all american and kids get to look at names. something like that would be nice for the basketball program.

at the sametime look at attendance numbers (prob not the best indication of relevance/support, but its the best stat i could come up with) not long ago it was top 10 in the country for a period.

also getting recognition it happens at the next level. kids today relate to the dukes/carolinas of the world cuz they have kids in the pros. sure youve got redd, though hes not a buckeye through and through. not a knock on mike hes a great guy, he just doesnt pimp his school like some carolina blue and dukies do. i can think of two high profile osu basketball players him and kellogg neither really pimps their team publically like you have with a herbie or ever single time i watch mnf and have "the ohio state university" told to me by a former player/alum.

can things improve. absolutely.
could things improve for the football team with visibility and issues that were discussing here. absolutely.

i dont care what anyway says. as a college coach you need to be a marketing genius. thats the key. matta has the energy and personality. hes had some success, something weve seen before. hes climbing mountains. the test of time will say whether or not he can stay near the top. keep in mind how long it took coach wooden to get his first ncaa title...

 

[jimotis4heisman]

Not going to say tOSU has no BBall tradition, i already know the opposite.. but compare to UK

and, by the way, the orginal question wasn't about tradition or success over the years.. but was about playing second fiddle.. which many of you believe dosen't matter and in fact Matta enjoys it because it means the fans are less hard on him.. not saying I agree.. not saying I entirley disagree with that either

he plays second fiddle no doubt.

would you rather play second fiddle at carnegie hall?
or first fiddle at jeds honky tonk?

 

[Bleed S & G]

So you don't think there's a better job out there?It's a cyclical discussion that never ends, and revolves around an unreachable answer. Even if Matta states he'll never leave OSU, people will point to his similar comments at Xavier.

I was agreeing with the entire answer he gave me about tOSU, bolding the better job out there because my answer is hell no there isn't.. im a buckeye :)

I don't understand this logic. Why does he deserve to be the main guy over JT?

Didn't say he did

I'm not so sure being THE guy is as wonderful as you suggest. Look how it is treating Fulmer or Tubby.

Its not about that - it's about what Matta wants. I personally dont know if his dream job is to 'hide behind a flame retardent sweatervest' or if its to be 'the man' on campus. or maybe the nba.. or whatever

but i can see where it can be a problem, but i also see where it can be a great thing

I'm not sure what this has to do with the subject... you seem to be arguing quite the opposite.

I'm not arguing the opposite..

From what standpoint?

Ohio is a football state before it is a basketball state.

Besides the obvious difference in tradition, elite football programs destroy their basketball counterparts in revenue. OSU BB earns almost 6x as much as Duke BB (or OSU BB, for that matter).

no, really? thats pretty much common sense..

Dont put words into my mouth please.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

Ohio is a football state before it is a basketball state.

ive seen three basketball "phenoms" in my lifetime

jerry lucas
lebron james
oj mayo

these three were hyped at young ages which probably hasnt been matched. granted guys got more awards/accolades.

if a guy could build the proverbial fence around the stated hed fair pretty good.

you have the 7th largest state in the union. one major college. tell me that is not lick your chops inviting...

 

[BUCKYLE]

he plays second fiddle no doubt.

would you rather play second fiddle at carnegie hall?
or first fiddle at jeds honky tonk?

FWIW, when playing Carnegie Hall, I don't think they call it a "fiddle".

 

[akronbuck]

Who says Matta feels like he's being disrespected? Who says he perceives that he is respected less than Jim Tressel?

Big salary, nice facilities, and lots of respect probably are fine. When he hits a down year, and he will hit a down year, he knows it is best to NOT be the only show in town.

Does Matta seem unhappy to anyone? OK, then why is this discussion continuing? We've got potential recruits visiting BP. Why make it appear that something is an issue when it doesn't seem to be.

Will Matta move on? Maybe he will. When, gee, let me get out my crystal ball. If cash isn't enough, gosh, what will we do?

The sky, the sky, I tell you the sky is falling!

Look folks, eventually he is gonna die even if he doesn't leave for another job. There, now can we move on?

I think they want a job at ESPN so they start crying:!

 

[jwinslow]

You keep commenting that you can see him going to a bigger school, but also think this is the best job. It's kind of hard/frustrating to have a discussion/debate when you're on both sides of the fence.

Didn't say he did

Actually you did (hypothetically), which I quoted before responding.

I'm not arguing the opposite..

Apparently you're now arguing both...

Dont put words into my mouth please.

What words did I put in your mouth? You asked what we thought about Matta leaving b/c OSU is more interested in football success... correct?

I asked you to explain what you meant (especially as a cause of Matta's departure), and then commented that it's logical that football will get more support (edit: even if they're completely committed to an elite bball program).

 

[Bleed S & G]

you have the 7th largest state in the union. one major college. tell me that is not lick your chops inviting...

I dont disagree.. but you cant tell me basketball is as big as football is here in ohio