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It was great to have a Super Bowl that exciting for the second straight year. A couple of thoughts.
On Big Ben's overturned TD - I never heard anything about his O-lineman pulling him into the end zone. It was blatant, and should have been a 10-yard "helping the runner" penalty. But they kicked a FG anyway, so it didn't matter.
On Harriison's runback - ESPN showed this morning that Larry Fitzgerald was trailing the play outside the sideline before he caught Harrison and tackled him on the goal line. While chasing, he bumped into Antrel Rolle, who was standing too close to the sideline during the play. It slowed Fitzgerald down noticeably - he definitely would have made the tackle a few yards earlier it he hadn't been obstructed by a teammate who was just watching on the sideline. Pittsburgh would have had 1 or 2 seconds left, though, and kicked a FG instead of a TD. But that 4 point difference would have changed what happned in the second half.
On the Holmes TD. There was discussion about whether the right foot was down. It it hadn't have been, the refs could have ruled that he would have gotten that foot down if he hadn't been shoved out of bounds. I didn't see or hear that mentioned at all. Interestingly, if the replay would have shown that the foot wasn't down, it would have changed the ruling to incomplete. (edit - I'm wrong here, there's no forceout rule starting this season - thanks, exhawg)
The fact that the forceout wasn't called initially (because they didn't have to make that call since the call was both feet down), and that forceouts or 'non-reviewable' plays, could have made that a non-TD due to the silly restrictions within the replay systems rules. That would have gone over well in Pittsburgh if they ended up losing the game due to that.
On the Warner fumble in the last 10 seconds. There was a statement from a league official saying the the replay official determined that it was in fact a fumble. That play was certainly worth reviewing - if it had been an incomplete pass Arizona would have had the ball around the 30-yard line with 5 seconds left. But apparently that determination was made without an official review involving the referee going under the hood on the sideline.
On Big Ben's overturned TD - I never heard anything about his O-lineman pulling him into the end zone. It was blatant, and should have been a 10-yard "helping the runner" penalty. But they kicked a FG anyway, so it didn't matter.
On Harriison's runback - ESPN showed this morning that Larry Fitzgerald was trailing the play outside the sideline before he caught Harrison and tackled him on the goal line. While chasing, he bumped into Antrel Rolle, who was standing too close to the sideline during the play. It slowed Fitzgerald down noticeably - he definitely would have made the tackle a few yards earlier it he hadn't been obstructed by a teammate who was just watching on the sideline. Pittsburgh would have had 1 or 2 seconds left, though, and kicked a FG instead of a TD. But that 4 point difference would have changed what happned in the second half.
On the Holmes TD. There was discussion about whether the right foot was down. It it hadn't have been, the refs could have ruled that he would have gotten that foot down if he hadn't been shoved out of bounds. I didn't see or hear that mentioned at all. Interestingly, if the replay would have shown that the foot wasn't down, it would have changed the ruling to incomplete. (edit - I'm wrong here, there's no forceout rule starting this season - thanks, exhawg)
The fact that the forceout wasn't called initially (because they didn't have to make that call since the call was both feet down), and that forceouts or 'non-reviewable' plays, could have made that a non-TD due to the silly restrictions within the replay systems rules. That would have gone over well in Pittsburgh if they ended up losing the game due to that.
On the Warner fumble in the last 10 seconds. There was a statement from a league official saying the the replay official determined that it was in fact a fumble. That play was certainly worth reviewing - if it had been an incomplete pass Arizona would have had the ball around the 30-yard line with 5 seconds left. But apparently that determination was made without an official review involving the referee going under the hood on the sideline.
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CentralMOBuck
Assistant Coach
BB73;1397025; said:
I thought when the clock was under 2 minutes left in the game all reviews were made by someone upstairs?
Was it just me or did Troy Polamalu seem off last night? I don't know how many times I saw him come flying in to make a tackle and only to wiff. On that big Fitzgerald TD he jumped the wrong route.
At first I thought Harrison's big INT return was mostly luck. But on that Fitzgerald TD he was one of the only Steelers chasing him down, and he was staying fairly close for being a LB/DE
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He took away Warner's deep ball most of the night.
That was a remarkable return (both by Harrison and the blockers), what exactly was lucky about it?
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CentralMOBuck;1397037; said:
The determination of the review in the last 2 minutes of each half is done by the booth - that means no coaching challenges. But once the review is initiated, it's the same process.
It sounds like what happened is like the college process - the booth looked at the play, but decided not to have an official review of it.
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exhawg
Mirror Guy
BB73;1397025; said:It was great to have a Super Bowl that exciting for the second straight year. A couple of thoughts.
On Big Ben's overturned TD - I never heard anything about his O-lineman pulling him into the end zone. It was blatant, and should have been a 10-yard "helping the runner" penalty. But they kicked a FG anyway, so it didn't matter.
On Harriison's runback - ESPN showed this morning that Larry Fitzgerald was trailing the play outside the sideline before he caught Harrison and tackled him on the goal line. While chasing, he bumped into Antrel Rolle, who was standing too close to the sideline during the play. It slowed Fitzgerald down noticeably - he definitely would have made the tackle a few yards earlier it he hadn't been obstructed by a teammate who was just watching on the sideline. Pittsburgh would have had 1 or 2 seconds left, though, and kicked a FG instead of a TD. But that 4 point difference would have changed what happned in the second half.
On the Holmes TD. There was discussion about whether the right foot was down. It it hadn't have been, the refs could have ruled that he would have gotten that foot down if he hadn't been shoved out of bounds. I didn't see or hear that mentioned at all. Interestingly, if the replay would have shown that the foot wasn't down, it would have changed the ruling to incomplete.
The fact that the forceout wasn't called initially (because they didn't have to make that call since the call was both feet down), and that forceouts or 'non-reviewable' plays, could have made that a non-TD due to the silly restrictions within the replay systems rules. That would have gone over well in Pittsburgh if they ended up losing the game due to that.
On the Warner fumble in the last 10 seconds. There was a statement from a league official saying the the replay official determined that it was in fact a fumble. That play was certainly worth reviewing - if it had been an incomplete pass Arizona would have had the ball around the 30-yard line with 5 seconds left. But apparently that determination was made without an official review involving the referee going under the hood on the sideline.
No force out rule starting this year. You have to get both feed down, and it looked like he did to me. It seemed like a pretty evenly officiated game.
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MolGenBuckeye
Legend
BB73;1397042; said:
It just seemed weird. I went to take some dishes into the kitchen, assuming it was a no-brainer that there would be a delay for a replay. By the time I came back, game over. Do they use the college process often? I don't watch a ton of NFL games, but hadn't ever seen it before.
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It was interesting to see that LeBeau often had Polamalu bumping Fitzgerald at the line with a CB over the top - that was very effective on shutting down in the first half. Obviously Arizona made adjustments in order to get the ball to Fitz in the second half - and that both safeties going wide on the 2-deep when Fitz went right down the middle almost cost Pitt the game.
The safety wasn't a big deal. If Santonio hadn't caught the ball on the third down play that had the holding in the end zone, Pitt would have been wise to take an intentional safety on the next play, since they were still up by 4 after the safety.
The safety wasn't a big deal. If Santonio hadn't caught the ball on the third down play that had the holding in the end zone, Pitt would have been wise to take an intentional safety on the next play, since they were still up by 4 after the safety.
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exhawg;1397043; said:
Thanks - I missed that. I looked up rules and unfortunately had something from 2007.
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Well, what a predictable finish to another NFL season. I mean, who didn't know that the Steelers passing offense would bail their team (and mortal-looking defense) out in the last minute to win the Super Bowl and beat...the Arizona Cardinals? 
And that of the over-35 QBs, Brett Favre would look washed-up and 2nd stringer Kurt Warner would throw for 4 bills in the Super Bowl?
Hell of a game, hell of a season, hell of a league.
And that of the over-35 QBs, Brett Favre would look washed-up and 2nd stringer Kurt Warner would throw for 4 bills in the Super Bowl? Hell of a game, hell of a season, hell of a league.
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MolGenBuckeye;1397050; said:
In the last 2 minutes the booth always decides whether a play is to be reviewed. If they don't, it's usually no big deal. But because it could have given Arizona a chance to win the game, they released a statement after the game saying that they looked at it and determined it was a fumble. They didn't want to leave the impression that Arizona didn't get a fair shake by not having somebody take another look at the play.
In reality, they didn't "officially review" the play - they determined that a review wasn't necessary.
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jwinslow;1397039; said:
One 'lucky' aspect was Fitzgerald running into Antrel Rolle (who was not on the field when the ball was snapped, but was standing too close to the sideline) as he was chasing the play. I didn't see it until they showed a replay on SportsCenter this morning. Without that contact, Fitz would have brought him down before the TD, but probably with at least 1 second left, so Pitt would have kicked a FG.
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CentralMOBuck
Assistant Coach
BB73;1397060; said:
I think the league needs to come up with a official ruling in the offseason about this. I think a call like that(same as Pats vs Raiders) can go either way. His arm may have pushed the ball forward, but to me it sure as hell didn't look like he had possession of it.
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