Steeler vs. Colts - Part Deux

[ScarletBlood31]

Bettis better count his lucky stars that Roethlisberger was in position to make that tackle. That was close to being one of the biggest choke jobs that I have ever seen.



But you have to go back and think, on that one possesion when Indy scored their first FG. Mungro had the TD originally, but was called back due to a false start penalty, leading to an eventual field goal instead of the original touchdown. That could have been the game.

 

[NYBuckeye]

Next stop, Denver baby! Go Steelers!

 

[BrutuStrength]

Most Browns fans would be overjoyed that we at least made it to postseason again.

Touche'

For me, it'd be a little easier to choose a team to root for if there was a Buckeye on the roster. It's the only reason I'm rooting for the Panthers to win it all.

They're my NFC favorites, as well, for that specific reason. Gamble played a solid game and drew did well during his opportunities. Drew should've gotten the PA call in the endzone.

 

[buckeyeboy]

But you have to go back and think, on that one possesion when Indy scored their first FG. Mungro had the TD originally, but was called back due to a false start penalty, leading to an eventual field goal instead of the original touchdown. That could have been the game.

Yeah, and if the refs would have called the blatant pass interference when that Colts DB all but tackled Randle El in the first half, the Steelers would have had first and ten at the Colts' 15. And if the ref actually called Polamalu's INT correctly (defining "correctly" as "the way that every sane person who knows anything about football would have made the call"), the game would have been over at that point. My point is that you can't say that the Colts would have won if it weren't for a false start penalty.

And hey, you've got to give the Steelers some credit--they went into Indy and won a game that NOBODY thought they would win. Their D got it done today, shutting down the Colts.

 

[High Lonesome]

Yeah, and if the refs would have called the blatant pass interference when that Colts DB all but tackled Randle El in the first half, the Steelers would have had first and ten at the Colts' 15. And if the ref actually called Polamalu's INT correctly (defining "correctly" as "the way that every sane person who knows anything about football would have made the call"), the game would have been over at that point. My point is that you can't say that the Colts would have won if it weren't for a false start penalty.

And hey, you've got to give the Steelers some credit--they went into Indy and won a game that NOBODY thought they would win. Their D got it done today, shutting down the Colts.

that int from polamalu was the most agonizing thing i have ever seen. If the NFL rules actually read the way that the ref described the play then I think he made the right call. in my mind though, all that does is deflect the attention to the NFL rule book in what can be called the most insane, inept, fucking idiodic rule i have ever seen. it is a testimate to troy's character that he didn't try to decapitate that ref after the play was overturned

 

[exhawg]

that int from polamalu was the most agonizing thing i have ever seen. If the NFL rules actually read the way that the ref described the play then I think he made the right call. in my mind though, all that does is deflect the attention to the NFL rule book in what can be called the most insane, inept, fucking idiodic rule i have ever seen. it is a testimate to troy's character that he didn't try to decapitate that ref after the play was overturned

or throw the ball at him like he did to the Bengals last week.
I don't agree with the ruling since TP rolled over once getting both knees off the ground. He did have full possession of the ball for that whole time before he tried to get up and kicked the ball out of his hand.
I have never seen a game with a team being dead as many times as the Colts were yesterday. First TP interception game over, oh wait nevermind. 4th down Manning sacked game over, oh wait Bettis fumbles for the first time in forever and the Colt run it back to the 42 with the most accurate kicker in the NFL in a dome. Colts move the ball down inside the 30, which should be automatic territory for a "good kicker". 2nd and 2, then 3rd and 2 with 3 time outs and they don't run the ball to pick up the first down? That one was Manning's fault. Get that first down and they have at least 3 more plays before they have to kick. Anyway Vanderjackoff misses a kick that wasn't even close on turf in a dome where he went a whole season without missing in the past. I wonder how drunk he is right now (noted it's 9:00 the next morning). Lets see if he blames Manning and Dungy for not being able to win the big game again.
I think Dungy is going to get the Cooper label when it comes to winning the big game. He seems to build a good defense then gets fired and someone else takes his team to the promised land. I like the Colts, but they are missing something that they will need to be able to go all the way.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Must be football games in the state of Indiana but we saw the return of our friend the do-over.

Either the Steelers flinched or the Colts were offsides.

There were many other calls but those refs had a bad game to be as kind as I can about it.

 

[iambrutus]

Either the Steelers flinched or the Colts were offsides.

that play was horrible, you have to call offsides if you didn't call false start (which is what should have been called)

 

[exhawg]

When the entire DL jumps and points at 1 guy you have to figure that he twitched. I know I jumped worse than that at least a couple times in my career and wasn't called. I'm sure I was called for several false starts as well, but they say you're supposed to have a short memory about those things. I was really bad about jumping in practice. One time in college my OL coach pulled me out and made me run gassers because I jumped like 3 times in 10 minutes.
Back on track if the refs didn't see the offense move, and the Colt didn't touch the Steelers you can't call a penalty on either team. Just treat it as an inadvertent whistle and do it over. If you don't know who the penalty is on there is no fair way to rule on it. It looks bad, but at least the refs made the teams decide it on the field.

 

[Jaxbuck]

When the entire DL jumps and points at 1 guy you have to figure that he twitched. I know I jumped worse than that at least a couple times in my career and wasn't called. I'm sure I was called for several false starts as well, but they say you're supposed to have a short memory about those things. I was really bad about jumping in practice. One time in college my OL coach pulled me out and made me run gassers because I jumped like 3 times in 10 minutes.
Back on track if the refs didn't see the offense move, and the Colt didn't touch the Steelers you can't call a penalty on either team. Just treat it as an inadvertent whistle and do it over. If you don't know who the penalty is on there is no fair way to rule on it. It looks bad, but at least the refs made the teams decide it on the field.

Problem is the Colts touched the Steelers. There had to be a call one way or the other and instead they just called a do-over.

The two arm's around the waist open field tackle that wasn't called PI, the Troy Polamalu INT that wasn't and the do-over as a body of work was among the worst days I have seen NFL officials have.

As far as NFL goes, nothing can ever top the crew that blew the coin toss on Thanksgiving day a few years ago. The worst I've ever seen period was the crew that did scUM's Alamo Bowl game, holy dog shit were they bad.

 

[buckeyeboy]

that int from polamalu was the most agonizing thing i have ever seen. If the NFL rules actually read the way that the ref described the play then I think he made the right call. in my mind though, all that does is deflect the attention to the NFL rule book in what can be called the most insane, inept, fucking idiodic rule i have ever seen.

I absolutely agree with you that that would be the stupidest rule ever, if that were the way it were. However, today the NFL said that it was a judgment call by the ref--that there was no such rule. That official should lose his job over that call, or at least not be able to be the head referee or work anymore playoff games. For an official to blatantly err on a call of that magnitude compromises the integrity of the game. The NFL cannot have people making those calls who have demonstrated an inability to do so.


Here's a link to the ESPN article saying that it was a judgment call:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs05/news/story?id=2294309

 

[tibor75]

I think they have to start including PI calls in replay reviews. Basically they allow a coach to challenge a 5 yard completion but not a 60 yard penalty is just stupid. PI calls can change an entire game.

 

[crazybuckfan40]

I think they have to start including PI calls in replay reviews. Basically they allow a coach to challenge a 5 yard completion but not a 60 yard penalty is just stupid. PI calls can change an entire game.

I think they should also include offsides. I know it would be hard, but it is so much of a judgement call and it can really affect the game. I know it was college, but in Iowa's game when the guy was onsides on the onside kick and they said he was offsides.

 

[sandgk]

I think they should also include offsides. I know it would be hard, but it is so much of a judgement call and it can really affect the game. I know it was college, but in Iowa's game when the guy was onsides on the onside kick and they said he was offsides.

Surely not in general?

Cases such as the onside kick I can see some need, but to allow challenge of offsides in a general fashion would be too much. They would have to give the coaches 5 challenges per game ...

And in regards to the PI controversy - the defense offered earlier was that this was "the rule" hence we might not like the outcome, but attack the rule, not the official. Now, with the earlier linked ESpiN article surely that is completely turned around. They have as much as come out and said it was a "judgement" call. Which is NFL speak, for -- we screwed up, but we are not going to admit we screwed up, and this is the best means we have of letting the erring Zebra off the hook. Notably the current explanation does not require the NFL to repeat the insult to public intelligence that constituted their earlier justification for declaring that Player had not got possession.

Which still makes it a lousy call - because the events as seen in real time, and as interpreted by millions on replay now go as follows.
Pass Interception - Player falls to ground but is not down by contact, player rolls up off ground and tries to make extra yards. On first stride his knee kicks the ball out from his grasp, ball falls forward, Player makes recovery of his own fumble, Player is downed by opposition.

PI, Fumble, Recovered by same player. Not difficult to call, at all. Not difficult to overturn, if described incorrectly earlier, at all.

 

[crazybuckfan40]

Yeah I know what you are saying, and I realize that, but some times they have all refs huddle up when there is movement and I am sure at times, the refs are like who did you see move, and none of them really know for sure. It would be a nice thing to have a ref on the sideline with a headset who could call up stairs real quick just to see which team jumped. I just get upset with refs being wrong on these calls alot, but hell they get the calls wrong even when the replay them so I don't think it is a big deal either way.

Surely not in general?

Cases such as the onside kick I can see some need, but to allow challenge of offsides in a general fashion would be too much. They would have to give the coaches 5 challenges per game ...

And in regards to the PI controversy - the defense offered earlier was that this was "the rule" hence we might not like the outcome, but attack the rule, not the official. Now, with the earlier linked ESpiN article surely that is completely turned around. They have as much as come out and said it was a "judgement" call. Which is NFL speak, for -- we screwed up, but we are not going to admit we screwed up, and this is the best means we have of letting the erring Zebra off the hook. Notably the current explanation does not require the NFL to repeat the insult to public intelligence that constituted their earlier justification for declaring that Player had not got possession.

Which still makes it a lousy call - because the events as seen in real time, and as interpreted by millions on replay now go as follows.
Pass Interception - Player falls to ground but is not down by contact, player rolls up off ground and tries to make extra yards. On first stride his knee kicks the ball out from his grasp, ball falls forward, Player makes recovery of his own fumble, Player is downed by opposition.

PI, Fumble, Recovered by same player. Not difficult to call, at all. Not difficult to overturn, if described incorrectly earlier, at all.