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Speilman today

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by jimotis4heisman, Nov 18, 2004.

  1. buckzip

    buckzip Reeking with awesomeness

    You probably should have prefaced that statement with "Listen, you dumb fuckburger"
     
  2. bucknut11

    bucknut11 Defense still wins Championships

    Haha. Probably, yes. I'm still learing.
     
  3. DDOTT

    DDOTT Newbie

    I thought this was America. I fight for the right to go where I want and say what I want.

    What do you do?
     
  4. bucknut11

    bucknut11 Defense still wins Championships

    I do all I can to opress you and your freedom of speech.

    :2004:
     
  5. Sdgobucks

    Sdgobucks Pig on a wing

    :slappy: go back to sucknuts.... im sure they miss you
     
  6. DaytonBuck

    DaytonBuck I've always liked them

    Or Braylon Edwards circa 2003
     
  7. '68Flask

    '68Flask B-Deck, Dogs and Spirits

    muuwhaaaaaaahahaaaaha........ :slappy:

    Lines. Lines. Lines. :wink2:
     
  8. JXC

    JXC 17-3 since 2001

    Edwards won't get the ball if we put pressure on Henne. If Henne has time in the pocket...we are screwed. He's gonna make completions. We need to sack his ass again and again and again. BLITZ THE FUCKER!!!! Henne hasn't even played a snap against OSU yet, and I already hate him!

    And Fox is going to play. He's not hurt bad enough to stay out. It's scUM...he's playing...and dammit I want him to play because him and Youboty out there are far better than any freshman no matter how hyped he is.
     
  9. jwinslow

    jwinslow A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE Staff Member Tourney Pick'em Champ

    It sounds like Whitner and Salley will be good to go. The way I see it, UM WILL make big plays. That is a given. Edwards WILL have a big time catch, he's too good to stop all day long.

    If Whitner and Salley go down, here's is what i think could work (and this is only if Ginn has been getting reps in practice).

    Edwards was containable when he was bumped on the line and a corner was rolled over to double up on him (NW game). The problem in that game is that Breaston ran wild. Breaston's a dangerous player, but I have a hard time seeing him losing Ginn, and even if he did Ginn would catch him a second later.

    If they go three wide I'd rather see Everett and Whitner in at safety, then stick Youbouty-Edwards Ginn-Breaston and Fox-Avant. Would anyone here rather see Underwood play here?

    I don't know that its a smart idea, and I haven't seen Ginn in practice (if he's even practiced at defense at all).

    Plus if he gets his hands on the ball there's a good chance its going back for a score.
     
    Last edited: Oct 30, 2007
  10. JXC

    JXC 17-3 since 2001

    Speed isn't all it takes to keep up with a WR. Ginn may not have the technique...and can he tackle? Who cares if he can keep up with him if he can't tackle. That was on thing that impressed me with Gamble was his ability to tackle. Ginn came out of HS as a DB recruit...but the key to a good coach is putting talent in the right place. Just like we did with Cie Grant, and like we did with Gamble. I trust Tressel will do what's best for the team here. Tressel isn't the type of guy that's just going to put Ginn in there for the hell of it. Whoever is in our secondary will be the guys that give us the best chance to win.
     
  11. tundra1

    tundra1 Junior

    I agree with a lot of the things people are saying about why Ginn isn't going to play D, but there's also another reason that I don't think has been mentioned much (if at all).

    The big thing about Gamble at first is that he only played man...so when you saw him in the game, you knew quite a bit about the coverage scheme Ohio State was going to play.

    Covering zone not only takes athletic talent, but a lot of teamwork--which Ginn hasn't had as much of, because he's been on offense.

    Michigan plays a freshman quarterback. I think we need to jump in and out of multiple coverage schemes (man and a number of zones, both with and without blitzing) to confuse him. That would also include coming to the line and making a defensive audible to a new coverage scheme if necessary. I'm not sure if Ginn is ready for that yet, given the lack of defensive practice.
     
  12. Dryden

    Dryden Sober as Sarkisian Staff Member Tech Admin

    Right! Since Youboty has proven to be a stud, that leaves Dustin Fox as the other must-have corner for the game, since he's the one that would call any defensive plays for the secondary. I think this season has shown how valuable Fox is. Fox missed the Northwestern and Wisconsin games completely, was not 100% for Iowa, and only played special teams against Purdue. I think the results of those games (compounded with Youboty's appearances) demonstrates who our best two corners are, and which ones know what their assignments are, such as blitzing QBs, not RBs on play-action passes. :roll1:

    Tressel has mentioned on his call-in show that if there were substantial injuries, the first WR who moves to a CB spot is actually Lyons, not Ginn. With Jamario O'Neal coming in next year and assuming Youboty is here for two, followed by how important Ginn has proven to be at the WR position, I question whether Ginn will see the field at DB even next year outside of man-to-man coverage. Ginn may have been a stud and a coaches' son in high school, but as a 170 pound freshman he's a little light to be taking on FBs or dragging down 230 pound RBs - he needs to add the freshman 15 this offseason.
     
  13. bukIpower

    bukIpower Senior

    Ok guys I was think'n something up and tell me what you think?

    Ej gets the start at Corner back and is paired up with Edwards (with Fox as a saftey over top on him also).

    then the Secondary adjusts accordinly......

    This will never happen, but its a fact that Fox has said he's a saftey and not a corner (thats where he'll play in the NFL)
     
  14. BuckeyeRob

    BuckeyeRob Yeah, whatever...

    I think IF and thats a big if, IF they were to use Ginn on Defense you do so when they go to the nickel and you tell Ginn where ever Edwards goes, YOU GO. You cover him like a condom
     
  15. martinss01

    martinss01 blissfully stupid

    why thank yee sir. :)

    the first thing i would do is cry =P. well, i stated during the first half of the purdue game ginn should see time on d. at this point it is a lot more dangerous. but nothing is scarier than putting a lb on a wr. thats the thing offensive coordinators wet dreams are made of. if it comes to that... you have to play him on d. personally i would try to split time early in the game between underwood and ginn to see how he holds up. you just have to be careful about how many plays you put the kid in on. just because gamble could do 130 plays per game doesn't mean everyone can.

    currently he plays offense, kickoff return (id pull him off this btw), and punt return. i think he can make just as much impact on d as he does on offense. but he isn't going to make any impact on the sidelines so cramped up he can't walk.

    i have to believe fox will be back and i think salley will as well. regardless of his mistakes against purdue, underwood almost has to be the #3 guy. our offense is almost completely designed around ginn at this point. so you can't loose him on offense no matter how weak we are in the secondary. but that doesn't mean we can't use him in the right situations.

    lets face it, we have nothing to loose here.
     

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