Speed

[OSUNatlChamps02]

Uh, just for the record about "the statuesque Boeckman", that statue happens to run a faster 40 than Troy Smith.

I'd like to see proof of this...

Edit:
I found that Troy's is 4.7 and change and Boeckman's is 4.8 and change. Closer than I would expect, but as for the statuesque comment, it refers more to the playing style. He doesn't leave the pocket much outside of a few times against Illinois/Michigan.

 

[Sportsbuck28]

I'd like to see proof of this...

Edit:
I found that Troy's is 4.7 and change and Boeckman's is 4.8 and change. Closer than I would expect, but as for the statuesque comment, it refers more to the playing style. He doesn't leave the pocket much outside of a few times against Illinois/Michigan.

From Butch Reynolds himself...

Quarterback Todd Boeckman is faster than Heisman Trophy winner Troy Smith was, although not as elusive.

 

[GaBuckeyeFan]

Sweet! I sent this to my brother-in-law, who happens to be an SEC fan. He is one who has bought into the ESPN myth about the speed in the SEC. Of course, I told him Florida ran OFF the field pretty damn fast on Tuesday!

 

[cincibuck]

Elusive = balance

Paul warfield was the perfect example of a straight line, pure speed runner. When he worked on and developed his body balance he became a phenominal player.

As a former track coach I like to point out Ted Ginn Jrs comments on his speed and balance. something like, "running the hurdles helped me develope a better sense of balance..." I think it's also why wrestling and the throws, disc and shot, improve an athlete's balance and explosive speed.

 

[Muck]

I'd suggest doing just that on this site.

Oh yeah sure JW.

Next you'll be telling us that chart he found was created by a member of this board.

 

[Best Buckeye]

Elusive = balance

Paul warfield was the perfect example of a straight line, pure speed runner. When he worked on and developed his body balance he became a phenominal player.

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You got that right Cinci, the only thing that stopped warfield was age. He absolutely excelled at every level of the game of football.

 

[utgrad73]

toledoblade.com -- Ohio State vs. LSU ... and the myth

Article published Thursday, January 3, 2008
Ohio State vs. LSU ... and the myth


NEW ORLEANS - The numbers were staggering. So was the result.

A year ago, when Ohio State last visited the BCS national championship game, the No. 1-ranked Buckeyes had all their laurels stuffed wherever it is laurels are stuffed. Florida chopped the Buckeyes into Gator Bait. The score was 41-14, the total yards were 370-82, and the first downs were 21-8.

From this came a myth. Ohio State and its Big Ten brethren are slow. Teams from the SEC are like the smoky trails of a jet against a baby blue sky. They simply streak. They wear capes, not uniforms.

Robo and Jenkins weigh in on the speed myth...

Trindon Holliday and Brandon Saine are speed equals (we really don't know how fast Saine is yet until he breaks one against a team like this). But Saine 40 time seemed off to me in the comparison above. The balance of the team speed looks to be slightly in favor of the Buckeyes.

Toledo Talk - OSU vs. LSU in terms of team speed

Making more plays against a very good defense will be the difference in this game. Look at Michigan's speed against FU. They made more plays and won. They wanted it more and won. Funny how that works.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

Has anyone mentioned yet how great it is to be a Buckeye? :)

 

[zincfinger]

Anyone else question that 4.31 40? I've only seen a few clips but he looks nowhere near that elite Ginn/Flash Thomas speed.

Of course, but in the same sense that I'd question any HS athlete claiming a 4.31. Neither Ginn nor Thomas can run a legitimate 4.31. Almost nobody can.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

Of course, but in the same sense that I'd question any HS athlete claiming a 4.31. Neither Ginn nor Thomas can run a legitimate 4.31. Almost nobody can.

Uh, Ginn can. Shoot, he ran a 4.31 coming out of high school. And that wasn't really my point. What I meant was, is he really a gamebreaker on that Harvin/Ginn level?

 

[zincfinger]

Uh, Ginn can. Shoot, he ran a 4.31 coming out of high school. And that wasn't really my point. What I meant was, is he really a gamebreaker on that Harvin/Ginn level?

Ginn ran a 4.38 at OSU's pro day, which typically tends to give fast times, at least compared to combine times. At any rate, my point was that you generally shouldn't put much stock in HS-reported 40 times, or at least you should add .1 to .2 seconds to most of them. And I realize this topic has been covered on this board ad nauseum. Coming back to your original point, Jackson almost certainly can't run a legitimate 4.31. Almost nobody could. And he's likely not as straight-ahead fast as Ginn. But as I'm sure you know, there's a lot that goes into being a reliable big-play guy beside straight-ahead speed. And I'd bet that if Jackson develops the other part of his game to that level, his speed will be sufficient to make him a big-play guy.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

The link you cited reports a 4.45 for Ginn, which is probably pretty accurate,

Scroll down.

although he did run a 4.38 at OSU's pro day, which typically tends to give fast times, at least compared to combine times.

Ginn ran a 4.38 with a sprained ankle. He's said himself his best time is under a 4.3.

At any rate, my point was that you generally shouldn't put much stock in HS-reported 40 times, or at least you should add .1 to .2 seconds to most of them.

Right, which is why I do unless they're an official time from a combine.

And I realize this topic has been covered on this board ad nauseum. Coming back to your original point, Jackson almost certainly can't run a legitimate 4.31.

I'm not talking lazer timed 40's.

Almost nobody could. And he's likely not as straight-ahead fast as Ginn. But as I'm sure you know, there's a lot that goes into being a reliable big-play guy beside straight-ahead speed. And I'd bet that if Jackson develops the other part of his game to that level, his speed will be sufficient to make him a big-play guy.

Yes, I agree there's a lot more that goes into being a great football player than just raw speed.

 

[zincfinger]

Scroll down.

Ginn ran a 4.38 with a sprained ankle. He's said himself his best time is under a 4.3.

I'm not talking lazer timed 40's.

I don't want to distract this too far from James Jackson, but the bottom line is, unless you're talking about an electronic pressure-pad start with a laser finish, there's no basis for comparing different 40 times. Ginn can say whatever he likes, but I'm skeptical that he runs sub-4.3 under those conditions. If he does, then he's in a group, from all-time, that you could probably count on one hand. If that.

 

[zincfinger]

Ted Logan put forth a typically outstanding performance.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

I don't want to distract this too far from James Jackson, but the bottom line is, unless you're talking about an electronic pressure-pad start with a laser finish, there's no basis for comparing different 40 times. Ginn can say whatever he likes, but I'm skeptical that he runs sub-4.3 under those conditions. If he does, then he's in a group, from all-time, that you could probably count on one hand. If that.

May I ask why you're making this so difficult?

I really don't care if it isn't the most accurate way to time a 40. When you compare something, you want the variables to be the same or as close to it as possible. I have little problem comparing combine times, even if they don't account for human error. I don't even know why I'm discussing timing methods because it really has nothing to do with what I said.

Pretty much the entire point of my post was he doesn't look like a Ginn or Harvin on film and those guys were regarded as low 4.3 guys coming out of high school.