Speed of Big10 vs. other conferences

[reagdog]

Don't take this the wrong way Big10 fans, but I keep hearing about the Big10 not having the same speed as other conferences.

I know that certain Big10 teams will have more speed than certain Pac-10, Big12, SEC teams, but the best Big10 teams are being persecuted nationally to have less speed than the best teams from some of the other conferences.

I know tOSU gets really good recruiting classes and I'm sure Penn State and Michigan do too, so why is the Big10 ending up with slower guys?

FYI - this is not my personal opinion because I haven't watched every Big10 team play, but something I keep hearing in articles and during the Rose bowl so please don't shoot the messenger.

 

[BUCKYLE]

It's bullshit. Total and complete bullshit.

Hope that answers your question.

 

[billmac91]

Don't take this the wrong way Big10 fans, but I keep hearing about the Big10 not having the same speed as other conferences.

I know that certain Big10 teams will have more speed than certain Pac-10, Big12, SEC teams, but the best Big10 teams are being persecuted nationally to have less speed than the best teams from some of the other conferences.

I know tOSU gets really good recruiting classes and I'm sure Penn State and Michigan do too, so why is the Big10 ending up with slower guys?

FYI - this is not my personal opinion because I haven't watched every Big10 team play, but something I keep hearing in articles and during the Rose bowl so please don't shoot the messenger.

are they actually slower? has a test proven the Big 10 is in fact slower?

For an 11 team conference, the Big 10 sure seems to produce an ample amount of draft picks. GM's must like slow players.

Know you're just asking a question, but its a bit silly....

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Pretty much what Buckyle said. The "speed" discussion is for folks who want a quick answer as to what is lacking in the big ten as compared to the other conferences, and it is - as Kyle says - bullshit. Take Terrelle Pryor for example. Suppose this national recruit signed with Oregon... would he have been any faster? No.

A few years ago, or even last year, a poster here put together a list of 40 times as between Ohio State and Florida (It may have been LSU, I don't remember) and Ohio State was the faster of the two....

Ted Ginn Jr would not have been faster if he played at USC.
Likewise, Graham Harrell didn't gain any speed playing in the new Big XII (who, I might add, has somehow managed to get rid of the "slow plodder" stigma by losing any kind of running game - which the conference used to be known for).

Most of the Big Ten lines up in 4 and 5 wide sets, just like the rest of the world. But, for some reason, the media tells everyone that the Big Ten is Wisconsin.

 

[reagdog]

I don't think they were taking their 40 times into consideration, but if you watched the Rose Bowl, the commentators kept bringing up that Penn State can't keep up with USC at pretty much any position. Speed doesn't always equal skill, but Penn State's DB's definitely couldn't cover SC's wideouts.

 

[billmac91]

I don't think they were taking their 40 times into consideration, but if you watched the Rose Bowl, the commentators kept bringing up that Penn State can't keep up with USC at pretty much any position. Speed doesn't always equal skill, but Penn State's DB's definitely couldn't cover SC's wideouts.

How many teams in the Pac 10 can cover USC's wideouts?

 

[tyrus]

Don't take this the wrong way Big10 fans, but I keep hearing about the Big10 not having the same speed as other conferences.

I know that certain Big10 teams will have more speed than certain Pac-10, Big12, SEC teams, but the best Big10 teams are being persecuted nationally to have less speed than the best teams from some of the other conferences.

I know tOSU gets really good recruiting classes and I'm sure Penn State and Michigan do too, so why is the Big10 ending up with slower guys?

FYI - this is not my personal opinion because I haven't watched every Big10 team play, but something I keep hearing in articles and during the Rose bowl so please don't shoot the messenger.

It is colder in the Midwest, so we have more players growing beards. And oviously, beards slow you down a bit, although you do look better.

Seriously, IMO, it isnt the speed, it is the schemes or philisophy.

We produce as many if not more NFL players, do well at combines, time and test well. There are just as many fast players in the Big 10 as any other conference. The problem is there arent too many spread, or open types of offenses (I know it is changing) It is the style of play, not actual speed.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

A few years ago, or even last year, a poster here put together a list of 40 times as between Ohio State and Florida (It may have been LSU, I don't remember) and Ohio State was the faster of the two....

It was between us and LSU, right before our NC game with them...it was a position-by-position breakdown and we were indeed faster overall.

 

[reagdog]

How many teams in the Pac 10 can cover USC's wideouts?

None

 

[billmac91]

It is colder in the Midwest, so we have more players growing beards. And oviously, beards slow you down a bit, although you do look better.

Seriously, IMO, it isnt the speed, it is the schemes or philisophy.

We produce as many if not more NFL players, do well at combines, time and test well. There are just as many fast players in the Big 10 as any other conference. The problem is there arent too many spread, or open types of offenses (I know it is changing) It is the style of play, not actual speed.

My personal opinion, is come late October/November the style has to give.....You can run 4/5 wideout sets in nice warm weather, but it isn't optimal in 15-20 degree weather with 20mph winds.

Even the teams that run a spread(Northwestern/Purdue/tOSU/Minnesota/PSU), also need to be able to line-up and run the football. There is a reason the spread hasn't nose-dived into the NFL other than the defenses are just too fast. You can't run the spread in the playoffs and late in the regular season.

 

[reagdog]

It is colder in the Midwest, so we have more players growing beards. And oviously, beards slow you down a bit, although you do look better.

Seriously, IMO, it isnt the speed, it is the schemes or philisophy.

We produce as many if not more NFL players, do well at combines, time and test well. There are just as many fast players in the Big 10 as any other conference. The problem is there arent too many spread, or open types of offenses (I know it is changing) It is the style of play, not actual speed.

But USC plays a pro-style offense - not the spread.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I don't think they were taking their 40 times into consideration, but if you watched the Rose Bowl, the commentators kept bringing up that Penn State can't keep up with USC at pretty much any position. Speed doesn't always equal skill, but Penn State's DB's definitely couldn't cover SC's wideouts.

And you believe that's a speed issue?

First, take AJ Wallace, for example... he runs a 4.42... so does Damian Williams.

Williams being open is a result of his route running, and what he's doing when he's not running as fast as he can. His fakes, his moves. That's not speed. That's technique.

 

[billmac91]

None

And I doubt many teams can.....

the point being, stupid commentators take shots at the Big 10 speed, when very few, if any teams would be able to hang with USC's receivers, especially when Sanchez has that much time to throw.

 

[reagdog]

And you believe that's a speed issue?

First, take AJ Wallace, for example... he runs a 4.42... so does Damian Williams.

Williams being open is a result of his route running, and what he's doing when he's not running as fast as he can. His fakes, his moves. That's not speed. That's technique.

That was just one example. Obviously USC's D was much faster or maybe just better?

 

[WaitingforKickoff]

The SC's and the UF's have gotten more Ted Ginn-type freaks over the past few years than anyone else, that's a fact. So it puts them at an advantage over everyone else, not just teams from the B10. If you been watching the bowl games, it doesn't appear to be that much disparity in speed between most of the teams.