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Game Thread Southern Cal 18, at tOSU 15 (Sept 12th, 8 pm, ESPN)

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generaladm;1508342; said:
Not quite. Two plays come to mind: Will Allen's legal hit that blew out Willis McGahee's knee, and Rob Reynolds' dirty choke job on Jim Sorgi. Both were big plays that initially drew cheers from the group I watched the games with, however, when it became clear that the players were injured, the cheering stopped. Since Allen's hit was an accident, we were able to get right back into the game after WM was carted off, but RR's actions tainted the rest of the game. RR apoligized personally and publicly, and was punished for his actions, but I never felt the same about him, even though it was the only incident in his career. That's the last truly dirty and dangerous play I can recall from a Buckeye player. There have been some personal fouls, but nothing I'd consider an intent to injure. It's one thing to cheer for a big play, but it's quite another to continue celebrating after it becomes clear a player has no regard for his opponents health and safety. And I realize you were mostly joking, but if I saw a Buckeye make numerous dirty hits, I would be screaming for his dismissal. That's just not the way we do things here. Tradition. Honor. Excellence.
I totally agree with what you said, but I was talking about a big hit were somones bell gets rung, but he is okay.
I never want to see a player injured. A little wobbly for a minute, but never hurt.
When I played, I always tried to hit hard, and many times when a player rung my bell, I congratulated him with "nice hit".
By the way, I was originally just trying to be sarcastic, but didnt put that part in, and a few posters got there feathers ruffled. Sorry, my bad.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1508420; said:
No, you were talking about helmet-to-helmet hits being OK. Don't [censored]in' back-peddle...
You need to seriously relax. I know what I said, and I know how you are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.
Helmet to helmet hits happen all game long. Do you think stick marks just appear?
 
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troy#1;1508422; said:
You need to seriously relax.
You need to man the fuck up.

troy#1;1508422; said:
I know what I said, and I know how you are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.
Helmet to helmet hits happen all game long. Do you think stick marks just appear?
The point is you said you liked seeing them and that they were just part of the game. They're illegal and most fans don't like seeing it. Tackling by the face mask is also a part of the game, along with chop blocks, etc. They're also called major penalties and for good reason...and helmet-to-helmet hits don't happen "all game long". We called you out on it and you are now stuttering and stammering, implying that's not what you meant.
 
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troy#1;1508287; said:
Exactly! Set there and tell me if a bucks player makes a big hit on oh, say a SC player, you wont jump up yelling and high fiving whomever you are watching the game with or toast your beers, whether its a legal hit or not.
Any football fan will get excited.

I am a fan of huge hits........that being said, if it's illegal I am not cool with the big hit. I view it more as being stupid. Especially with a guy like Mays, if he goes in on the wrong angle his career could end rather quickly. I like his tenacity, I love to watch guys like him light people up............just so long as it is done cleanly. If it's clean I tip my hat to him; if it's not the case....well you get the point.
 
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daddyphatsacs;1508431; said:
I am a fan of huge hits........that being said, if it's illegal I am not cool with the big hit. I view it more as being stupid. Especially with a guy like Mays, if he goes in on the wrong angle his career could end rather quickly. I like his tenacity, I love to watch guys like him light people up............just so long as it is done cleanly. If it's clean I tip my hat to him; if it's not the case....well you get the point.
I agree, but I am also saying that when two players are going full speed, what could've been a clean hit ends up not being clean because maybe one of the players is going down when hit, or tries to duck, or something like that. But I do not like seeing anyone get hurt.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1508428; said:
You need to man the [censored] up.


The point is you said you liked seeing them and that they were just part of the game. They're illegal and most fans don't like seeing it. Tackling by the face mask is also a part of the game, along with chop blocks, etc. They're also called major penalties and for good reason...and helmet-to-helmet hits don't happen "all game long". We called you out on it and you are now stuttering and stammering, implying that's not what you meant.
Maybe you should quit watching football?
 
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Exactly! Set there and tell me if a bucks player makes a big hit on oh, say a SC player, you wont jump up yelling and high fiving whomever you are watching the game with or toast your beers, whether its a legal hit or not.
Any football fan will get excited.
Michigan fans didn't get too excited by this play.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOmGMGUDPbk"]YouTube - Shawn Crable Hit on Troy Smith[/ame]

Ohio State fans have learned, through tressel, that 15 yard penalties are bad. Any OSU fan watching these days will be upset at a big hit that draws a flag 9 times out of 10.
 
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Here's what I'll say about Mays and his hits. They're illegal yet he continues to lay them. There's a fucking reason they're illegal, and this reason is especially applicable to Mays given his freak athletic build and abilities; that being, helmet-to-helmet blows drastically increase risk of serious injury, including instantaneous harm, like paraplegia, as well as long term harm (see any number of boxers).

You can say that Spielman or any number of other players we worshiped in the past were guilty of the same type of ultra-aggressive play, and you wouldn't be wrong. But the distinction is that helmet-to-helmet hits are illegal now and they weren't then. And, most importantly, the reason they're now illegal is that medical evidence demonstrates their long and short term effects. In other words, we now know what we did not know when Spielman played. I don't know whether Chris Speilman would have played the game differently had he played today as opposed to back then, but the rules have changed for damn good reasons. This isn't about football being a contact sport or about super-machismo in a physical sport. It's about ensuring that the young kids we love to watch play the game can have healthy and full lives once they exit the gridiron.

I can understand the occasional helmet-to-helmet hit as an unintentional ramification of hard play, especially from a safety. But that's not what I've seen from Mays--I've seen a guy who just doesn't give a fuck. Roy Williams and the horse collar comes to mind here. He perfected that tackling method and was celebrated for it. But you know what? We realized, through experience, that tackling from the horse collar is excessively dangerous and can ruin players' careers. So it was outlawed. Yet he kept doing it. Well you know what? It's not legit anymore, so play within the rules, and don't put your desire to make the tackle above your opponent's ability to walk properly for the rest of his life. It's the same shit with Mays. He's been warned and warned again. With his size and speed, it's only a matter of time before someone ends up permanently in a wheel chair if he doesn't start to give a fuck about the rules. You can say it's a man's game all you want, but I say the manly thing to do is to make an effort to play within well-founded rules, and to achieve within those rules.
 
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jwinslow;1508429; said:
Did you like Spielman?

I don't like cheapshots on a defenseless player, but there are an awful lot of classic hits by Spiels and Tatum that fit the bill here.

I love both Tatum and Spielman, but if they layed an illegal hit on someone I would not condone it.
 
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sepia5;1508492; said:
Here's what I'll say about Mays and his hits. They're illegal yet he continues to lay them. There's a fucking reason they're illegal, and this reason is especially applicable to Mays given his freak athletic build and abilities; that being, helmet-to-helmet blows drastically increase risk of serious injury, including instantaneous harm, like paraplegia, as well as long term harm (see any number of boxers).

You can say that Spielman or any number of other players we worshiped in the past were guilty of the same type of ultra-aggressive play, and you wouldn't be wrong. But the distinction is that helmet-to-helmet hits are illegal now and they weren't then. And, most importantly, the reason they're now illegal is that medical evidence demonstrates their long and short term effects. In other words, we now know what we did not know when Spielman played. I don't know whether Chris Speilman would have played the game differently had he played today as opposed to back then, but the rules have changed for damn good reasons. This isn't about football being a contact sport or about super-machismo in a physical sport. It's about ensuring that the young kids we love to watch play the game can have healthy and full lives once they exit the gridiron.

I can understand the occasional helmet-to-helmet hit as an unintentional ramification of hard play, especially from a safety. But that's not what I've seen from Mays--I've seen a guy who just doesn't give a fuck. Roy Williams and the horse collar comes to mind here. He perfected that tackling method and was celebrated for it. But you know what? We realized, through experience, that tackling from the horse collar is excessively dangerous and can ruin players' careers. So it was outlawed. Yet he kept doing it. Well you know what? It's not legit anymore, so play within the rules, and don't put your desire to make the tackle above your opponent's ability to walk properly for the rest of his life. It's the same shit with Mays. He's been warned and warned again. With his size and speed, it's only a matter of time before someone ends up permanently in a wheel chair if he doesn't start to give a fuck about the rules. You can say it's a man's game all you want, but I say the manly thing to do is to make an effort to play within well-founded rules, and to achieve within those rules.

And I say the pussification of football continues. Every motherfucker that steps on the field from pee wee to the NFL knows the risks. Well founded rules my ass. It's about protecting their cash cows. If the rules were only about player safety, they'd watch the trenches a bit closer.

I'm not condoning intentional helmet to helmet hits. I'm only saying that it's football. Shit happens when two grown ass men collide at full speed. Acting like you can legislate injuries out of the game is fucking childish.
 
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