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Game Thread Southern Cal 18, at tOSU 15 (Sept 12th, 8 pm, ESPN)

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I have some friends in SoCal that are big USC fans and none of them thought it would be a blowout. In fact most felt there was a strong possibility that they'd lose this game. Their D looks just as strong this year as it was last year. In a way I'd like to see them make it to the BCS championship against Florida or Texas and see what those teams can do against them.
It would be quite unfortunate if the first time the SEC plays USC in 5 years is against one of USC's weaker squads.
jmorbitz;1533888; said:
The oh chorus at the end of that song gets me pumped just listening to the record. My adrenaline would be flowing if you could get 105,000+ singing in unison to start. Anything by Coheed & Cambria is lightyears better than Seven Nation Army.

If they could edit to just play the acoustic intro and when the band comes in, into the chorus, that would probably be one of the best "amp up" songs anywhere.

0:00-1:02, and 5:00 to 6:12, would not be beat if edited together and blasted in the 'Shoe. Chord progression plays well for O-h-i-o variations as well. Ans the solos shread.

YouTube - Welcome Home - Coheed and Cambria (ALBUM Version)
I emailed the president of the block O with this suggestion:
First of all, kudos to everyone involved in that atmosphere on saturday night. That was unprecedented greatness. There was one minor problem though, part of the time it sounded like we were in Happy Valley.

Penn State is famous for stealing most of their meaningful traditions.

  1. Seven Nation Army (youtube) - stolen from soccer fans, but they're known for it in CFB. Tons of other schools have copied this too.
  2. Zombie Nation (youtube) - same as above.
  3. "We are..." chant - too many before them to list here.
  4. Paternoville - stolen from Duke's Krzyzewskiville where students camp out before big bball games.
At Ohio State, the traditions are original (Script Ohio, Hang On Sloopy, Buckeye Grove, Brutus, Helmet Stickers) and not contrived like our unofficial rivals to the east.

We have a suggestion from BuckeyePlanet.com that would be well known and lend itself well to OSU's current cheer:

Coheed & Cambria - Welcome Home Music Video

  1. At the 5:00 min mark, a group chants O-O-O-O. It would be perfect for O-H-I-O.
  2. At the 4:15 mark, it goes to a guitar solo, which could be the lead-in for longer cheers (say before a game).
  3. They already play this music before games, so it would just take some orchestration for the cheer.
An O... H... I... O... animation on the big screen might help at first. Maybe people would just follow the lead of Block O without that. But please, no involvement of that PA loudspeaker guy who tells everyone how to do the O-H-I-O chant (seeing as they've done it by themselves for as long as they've been buckeye fans).
If anyone knows of a better individual to email, let me know.

They did a great job with the atmosphere on Saturday night, I just don't want to copy the copycats with that song. We can do better.
 
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jwinslow;1543195; said:
It would be quite unfortunate if the first time the SEC plays USC in 5 years is against one of USC's weaker squads.
I emailed the president of the block O with this suggestion:
If anyone knows of a better individual to email, let me know.

They did a great job with the atmosphere on Saturday night, I just don't want to copy the copycats with that song. We can do better.

Well, it's pretty hard to fins a good song to chant to unless you copy. That Coheed and Cambria song just isn't going to get it done. This song would be cool if they just played the chorus: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n8TuSVmOrw]YouTube - Bro hymn-Pennywise[/ame] Now, I think a lot of other pro teams use it but no teams in college that I'm aware of. It's a fun song.
 
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I can't stand Coheed's voice, but we're talking about the guitar solo and crowd chant after that... I think that would sound pretty good if done right, along with coordination with the band. More importantly, it would be their own chant, not yet another re-tread.
 
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I understand if you, or others, don't like the band or the song. Everyone has their preferences. I'll just say I've never come across a song that has a chorus that would fit the O-H-I-O chant better than the end of "Welcome Home," other than "Hang on Sloopy." When I think of Ohio State, I think of original, inspiring traditions. I would argue that Seven Nation Army is absolutely not that. That's not to say it isn't cool when a crowd does it, but I don't think it would be cool if the Ohio State crowd did it. Ohio State is original. Unfortunately, I'm not a season ticket holder, a student, or even someone who lives in the state. I'm just a dude on a message board, that was born and grew up in Ohio, and loves Ohio State football. In my visions, imagining 105,000+ singing that would "pump me up." That's why Seven Nation Army sounds cool, because everyone does it in unison. But I, personally, would think that most anything 105,000+ sing in unison would be amazing, except Seven Nation Army, because PSU ripped it from soccer fans. Ohio State shouldn't rip anything from anyone or any fan base. Has it happened? I'm sure as shit it has at somepoint. But if we could prevent it, while providing something that is our own, and original, that's all I'm going for. Like I said, I don't have any weight in making this happen, though I wish I could. And I understand not every Buckeye fan, young or old, would agree or support it. It's just my thoughts.
 
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cincibuck;1542755; said:
Spending a good portion of my day on this board is a very sedimentary activity. I think I'll go play golf.

One of the french benefits fo being retired is to play golf where you can express your sediments any damn way you want.

DubCoffman62;1543080; said:
In a way I'd like to see them make it to the BCS championship against Florida or Texas and see what those teams can do against them.

I really wanted to see a FL - USC NCG last year.

jwinslow;1543195; said:
It would be quite unfortunate if the first time the SEC plays USC in 5 years is against one of USC's weaker squads.

By the time of the bowl games, USC will be very, very good. If they aren't already.
 
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Missed opportunities do Buckeyes in again

Didn't think it would bug me that much this time around b/c it's what I expected. I hate to rehash the same thoughts I'm sure everyone else has had and posted. But the fact is, they had numerous chances to put that game away (especially early 3rd quarter) and couldn't. I watched the game for a 2nd time Sunday just to watch it and again a 3rd time to pick out a few things I saw.

First off, the DL played great. Anyone who has watched the game over saw that they dominated up front eliminating any running lanes for their backs. Any time you can prevent those speedy backs from hitting top speed as they are running through those holes it helps. It's a lot easier to bring them down when they are going east and west. And even though they didn't get to Barkley a lot, they still forced him to get rid of the ball sooner than he wanted to on many occasions.

Wasn't a lot of running room for our backs. They made the most of their opportunities.

LB's ran well from sideline to sideline. Rolle continues to impress me in the middle tracking down outside runs and stuffing RB's on goaline stands. He packs a punch for a so-called little guy.

The WR's came through with some big catches.

DB's had a great game in coverage and helping out in run support.


A few plays/series that really stood out on film:

I don't know if anyone saw the headline story earlier on yahoo sports. It read something to the effect of "good morning Buckeyes. You got jobbed" (but you probably would have found a way to blow it anyway". It was a replay of the 4th and 1 play USC had in the 1st Q after TP's INT first possession. HE WAS SHORT. Knees hit the ground and the ball was @ Stephon Johnson's hip. They replayed the 2nd down play when the USC receiver in the flat fell on the pylon and was a few feet short, why wouldn't you replay/challenge a crucial 4th and 1 play as well?

Another series we have the ball 1st and goal @ the 5 and settled for 3. Pryor has Ballard wide open in the corner and throws a bullet when he needed some air, then Tress decides to run right into the teeth of the defense 2 more times only to get stuffed. Where's the naked bootleg w/ your QB on the goalline???? Or more designed runs throughout the game for that matter.

Obviously the end of the half. When most feel Tress should be aggressive i.e. 1st half 4th and goal @ the 1, (you pin them deep and put them in conservative offensive play call mode and you flipped the field on them even if you don't make it) he goes conservative and kicks the FG. When most felt he should have went conservative (i.e. w/ 1 minute on the clock @ the end of the half in your own territory w/ a 10-7 lead and your opponent has no TO's, he elects to throw 2 of the 3 downs and leaves 53 seconds on the clock for USC.

If you run the ball on 3rd and 3, pick it up, then you manage the clock w/ your TO's and possibly get a FG, not leaving time for USC to do anything. If you don't make it on 3rd and 3 with the run, you run down the clock on 4th down, take one of your unused TO's w/ 1 second left on the playclock, punt, and you force USC to go 50+ yards in 30 seconds just to get in FG range. Most likely they down it w/ no TO's left.

Opening possession of the 2nd half they force USC into a 3 and out, we get the ball @ midfield and can't put together 2 first downs to get at least a shot @ a FG. Could have been a huge momentum swing.

We spent the entire 3rd quarter w/ great field position and didn't do anything w/ it. Defense played about as well as you can against that speed. They missed a few tackles but nothing that cost them the game. There wasn't a point in the game where a USC player was just running loose in our secondary.

Later in the 3rd (I think) we had the ball again in the red-zone, TP rolled out, came back the other way, had Sanzenbacher open in the endzone and threw it into the ground @ his feet. (settled for 3 again)

How that ball got by G. Swartz on the punt block I'll never know.

I don't have a complaint with the play calling as much as I do the execution this time around. TP had his chances to make big-time plays. For people to say coach Tress needs to take the cuffs off TP, I think he has. If this team is going to win 10 games this year, his decision making skills need to improve a lot and quickly. He has enough weapons around him to make this machine click.

He needs to be done with this "I need to prove to everyone I can be a great passer" crap, have a better recognition of down and distance, pick up crucial 3rd downs w/ his legs if he needs to to keep drives going, the offense will possess the ball longer, and then he'll be able to show people he can throw b/c the offense will be moving the chains and actually scoring points instead of punting.

There's my take. Doesn't make the "L" go away, but maybe I'll sleep better now that that's off my chest. Let me know if anyone else saw the 4th and 1 TD replay. I'm surprised nobody has really said anything about it being that it was such a big play.

Better bring their "A-Game" vs. the Rockets this weekend. That would really put a damper on this early season. Go Bucks.


:oh::io:
 
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Taosman;1543354; said:
This SC team looks flawed compared to even last years team. Would not surprise me one bit to seem them lose a game. Lots of road games on their schedule.


We definitely have problems, and one of the toughest schedules in the country. I'm even feeling worried about this game coming up at Washington... they have our coordinators from last year so they know all our schemes, Barkley is still injured from the game against you so he probably won't be 100% if he starts at all, it's a heavily-favored game on the road after a huge emotional win... sound familiar?

And then we face Cal AT Cal... Notre Dame AT Notre Dame...

All adds up to our roughest year overall in a long time, and with our weakest squad in a long time.
 
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ttk;1543424; said:
We definitely have problems, and one of the toughest schedules in the country. I'm even feeling worried about this game coming up at Washington... they have our coordinators from last year so they know all our schemes, Barkley is still injured from the game against you so he probably won't be 100% if he starts at all, it's a heavily-favored game on the road after a huge emotional win... sound familiar?

And then we face Cal AT Cal... Notre Dame AT Notre Dame...

All adds up to our roughest year overall in a long time, and with our weakest squad in a long time.

Something I posted in another forum:

In 2008, here's the result of each teams next game after playing OSU.

Youngstown St. Lost 40-7 to South Dakota State.
Ohio University lost 31-28 to Central Michigan
USC lost 27-21 to Oregon State
Troy lost 55-24 to Oklahoma State
Minnesota beat Indiana 16-7 (This was also their first game scoring less than 30 points)
Wisconsin lost 48-7 to Penn St.
Purdue lost 48-26 to Northwestern
Michigan St. beat Michigan 35-21
Penn St. lost 24-23 to Iowa
Northwestern beat Michigan 21-14
Illinois lost 27-10 to Northwestern

so teams the week after were 3-8. The common factor? 1 team got lucky playing a sub par team, and Michigan was in shambles that year so just about anyone could beat them.
 
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Chronically speaking...

Late in the 3rd, Pryor rolls right, gets huge pressure and reverses field scrambles to an open spot and zips a low pass to the feet of Sanzenbacher in the end zone...

If Dane somehow scoops it up....

Ok, we can't do this anymore. A play here and there doesn't indicate a problem and it's frustrating to rehash single plays in a game lost in the last minute. Every failed drive and dozens of failed plays held Both teams back from scoring more. True, they didn't score on their first possession.

The fact is the USC game didn't show all of our weaknesses or all of our strengths.

We Can, however, look at chronic failures and successes. In fact, saying we always lose the Big game is crap. 06 was only 3 years ago, and we beat tex at tex, and the beat the last good Mich team. And, until we switch conferences, we can only try to win the big 10 each year, which we Do.

I just watched the SC game again last night and we pushed those SC bithces around handily most of the game.

The chronic failures for tOSU this year are:

Too many 2nd and 9's. On 1st 10, we run Boom up the middle for 1 yard. Same results every time against Navy and USC. 3 possesions in a row in the 2nd half vs USC. Fix it or forget it.

Receivers not reading the open gaps in the zone defense.

Pryor doesn't set feet to throw consistently.

We pretend we have a QB who Can't run. No, I don't want Pat White or Dennis Dixon's game plan, but please! He can learn to throw And run. A scrambling Krenzel lead the team rushing in the NC game, 81yds on 19 carries.

Last but not least, Chronic Drive killing motion penalties on O line. Delay of game. Both are coordinator penalties IMO.

Our successes:

We win games. Tress is 8th in winning percentage of active coaches, including his 23 years. 4th in the vicories.

We win our conference.

We have a top 5 defense almost every year.

We have the best players. The most in the nfl, 70 vs 66 for USC

We are wide receiver U.

We play with dignity and pride.

We win Heismans, Nagursky's, and Thorpes.

We beat Michigan.

We are 3-3 in bcs games.

We've made it to 3 NC games in the last 6 years. Damn!

I'll say it again, we are an O coordinator away from being a dynasty in the 2000's.

Go Bucks GO!
 

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