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SimPLLLLLLLe Jim "6-13" Harbaugh (B1G Suspenders McKhakiPants, Cheater Cheater Booger Eater)

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buckeyemania11 said:
I dont recall Dabo ever having his program teetering on the verge of complete breakdown. Ducking Games to avoid embarrassment, etc......
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Shhhhh, we're not here to defend Dabo. We're here to point out what a great comparison this is and how it would be a bad idea to cut bait with Jim now. He's about to be Clemson.
 
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ScriptOhio said:


Look at Hairball's eyes, he looks like Uncle Fester:

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Greyshirt said:
Hold on a minute. Clemson's ability to recruit verses SCums when HAirball took over is not even in the same area code. Yes, now Clemson is competing against basically OSU, Bama, and I am not sure who would be next. Maybe an LSU or such. So yes Dabo may have had the same start but they did not have the same hand to play. Sweeney took Clemson from a Mid-level SEC team to a National Power.
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Well, yes and no. First, Dabo took over in the ACC. There were only two schools in the ACC that were committed to a strong football program and both of them had a difficult time staying out of the NCAA probation doghouse. Clemson? No one ever talks about Clemson basketball.

Like the SEC or hate it, they care first and foremost about football everywhere but Vandy and KY Jelly. Put Dabo in the SEC and he would have to get past Georgia and Florida to get a shot at Bama and the flavor of the year between LSU, aTm, and Auburn. If he'd been in the SEC, Dabo would have been lucky to hold on to his job

Harbaugh comes to Michigan and steps into a decent talent pool left to him by Hoke (who spent most of his tenure playing with Dick Wads slot dots) He got lucky with Rudock and again with Shea, but he added nothing to the talent pool at QB, and the talent that he did add often left early, quit, or transferred. So he took a strong situation and let Ohio State and Notre Dame win the recruiting wars in mid-west.

Had Dabo come to Michigan, he would have run into some peak talent years for Ohio State, and matches with Penn State and Iowa that would have been stronger than anything he faced from the ACC. He might have gotten to the CCG in 2012 or 2016, but I'm guessing he would have not gotten to the playoffs. Finally, I'm guessing that his bible-belt recruiting methods wouldn't work outside of the bible-belt.

So, better coach than Hairball? Yep. But he's lucky he landed where he did, with minimal competition within the conference and a great deal of tolerance for his methods.
 
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cincibuck said:
Well, yes and no. First, Dabo took over in the ACC. There were only two schools in the ACC that were committed to a strong football program and both of them had a difficult time staying out of the NCAA probation doghouse. Clemson? No one ever talks about Clemson basketball.

Like the SEC or hate it, they care first and foremost about football everywhere but Vandy and KY Jelly. Put Dabo in the SEC and he would have to get past Georgia and Florida to get a shot at Bama and the flavor of the year between LSU, aTm, and Auburn. If he'd been in the SEC, Dabo would have been lucky to hold on to his job

Harbaugh comes to Michigan and steps into a decent talent pool left to him by Hoke (who spent most of his tenure playing with Dick Wads slot dots) He got lucky with Rudock and again with Shea, but he added nothing to the talent pool at QB, and the talent that he did add often left early, quit, or transferred. So he took a strong situation and let Ohio State and Notre Dame win the recruiting wars in mid-west.

Had Dabo come to Michigan, he would have run into some peak talent years for Ohio State, and matches with Penn State and Iowa that would have been stronger than anything he faced from the ACC. He might have gotten to the CCG in 2012 or 2016, but I'm guessing he would have not gotten to the playoffs. Finally, I'm guessing that his bible-belt recruiting methods wouldn't work outside of the bible-belt.

So, better coach than Hairball? Yep. But he's lucky he landed where he did, with minimal competition within the conference and a great deal of tolerance for his methods.
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Dabo's timing was good too. He was establishing himself at Clemson just as (the ACC football powerhouse) Free Shoes/Jimbo Fisher was on a decline creating an AAC football power void/vacuum that he promptly filled.
 
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cincibuck said:
Finally, I'm guessing that his bible-belt recruiting methods wouldn't work outside of the bible-belt.

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I don't know about that. There's not a lot of daylight between Dabo and Tressel in that regard. Whatever I might think of it personally, I'm willing to concede that a football coach wearing his religion on his sleeve translates well into a lot of households and high school coaching rooms in more than just the deep South.

But yeah, he lucked into the perfect situation in Clemson and the ACC to have time to get his shit together, and it didn't hurt him that his stud DC didn't jump for the first head coaching job that came along.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
I don't know about that. There's not a lot of daylight between Dabo and Tressel in that regard. Whatever I might think of it personally, I'm willing to concede that a football coach wearing his religion on his sleeve translates well into a lot of households and high school coaching rooms in more than just the deep South.
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Yeah but as I said in Dabo's thread, we will NEVER see Tress get arrested at at Truck stop for soliciting trucker sex in the bathroom like we will at some point with Dabo :lol:
 
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He looks checked out.

buckeyemania11 said:
I dont recall Dabo ever having his program teetering on the verge of complete breakdown. Ducking Games to avoid embarrassment, etc......
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Yeah. Dabo bottomed out getting 70 hung on him in the Orange Bowl. His response? Went out and hired the best DC on the market.

Jimbo's offense was a stagnant turd. His response? He hired a guy who had never called plays before after a phone interview to "re-invent" his offense. Welp...
 
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cincibuck said:
So he took a strong situation and let Ohio State and Notre Dame win the recruiting wars in mid-west.
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He didn't "let" OSU do shit.

He stepped into a trail position, in terms of overall roster talent, tried to compete with an elite recruiting machine and got his ass kicked to the point the gap has widened to a ridiculous level, not closed.

If he's gone he'll be leaving it worse than when he found it.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
He didn't "let" OSU do shit.

He stepped into a trail position, in terms of overall roster talent, tried to compete with an elite recruiting machine and got his ass kicked to the point the gap has widened to a ridiculous level, not closed.

If he's gone he'll be leaving it worse than when he found it.
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Not just worse...significantly worse. Hoke, for all his faults, recruited reasonably well. They just couldn’t “coach ‘em up.” Simple Jim and his staff have seen diminishing returns in recruiting, have been absolutely gutted by transfers and other departures and can’t coach ‘em up.

If Jimmuh bails, his replacement will probably have to hit the portal for a QB. Inherits “meh” players at the skill positions, a thin OL, a terrible situation on the DL, “meh” LBers and a horror show in the secondary (especially if Dax Hill transfers as is rumored).

Basically, the next guy is gonna not only have to fill out a mediocre recruiting class, he’s gonna have to re-recruit much of the current roster AND hit the portal hard to try to fill numerous gaps that already exist. All while trying to whip a roster that has been dealing with shit coaching for years and dealing with all of the other obstacles that come with coaching in that shit hole.

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NFBuck said:
Not just worse...significantly worse. Hoke, for all his faults, recruited reasonably well. They just couldn’t “coach ‘em up.” Simple Jim and his staff have seen diminishing returns in recruiting, have been absolutely gutted by transfers and other departures and can’t coach ‘em up.

If Jimmuh bails, his replacement will probably have to hit the portal for a QB. Inherits “meh” players at the skill positions, a thin OL, a terrible situation on the DL, “meh” LBers and a horror show in the secondary (especially if Dax Hill transfers as is rumored).

Basically, the next guy is gonna not only have to fill out a mediocre recruiting class, he’s gonna have to re-recruit much of the current roster AND hit the portal hard to try to fill numerous gaps that already exist. All while trying to whip a roster that has been dealing with shit coaching for years and dealing with all of the other obstacles that come with coaching in that shit hole.
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So let's say they take him down to the river to pet the rabbits this year. The '21 class is essentially done, next to no help will come from it for the new guy.

Let's say that guy recruits like a monster, can somehow keep up with Day and bags three straight top 5 kind of classes.

That's the recruiting classes of '22, '23 and 24. It's going to be the fall of 2025 AT BEST before a new guy, who knock's it out of the park in recruiting, could have a team on near equal footing with Day and OSU assuming OSU keeps going like it is now.

2025 at the earliest
 
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Had not heard the Hill rumors even though I have been expecting it.

That should send a message to any and all quality players. Is there one kid who can say in a positive fashion "look what Michigan did for me "
 
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