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Next year is the year they've been pointing to for awhile. Year 4 of harbaugh, 2 years removed from senior/NFL exodus.
What does that schedule include? Three away rivalry games. A home stretch of UW, @MSU, PSU, Rutgers, IU, @OSU.
09/01 at ND (opener)
09/08 WMU
09/15 SMU
09/22 Neb
09/29 NW
10/13 UW
10/20 at MSU
bye
11/03 PSU
11/10 Rutgers
11/17 IU
11/24 at OSU
Not, not good.
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AJHawkfan
Wanna make $14 the hard way?
Right. Year 4. That's when Harbaugh's at his best. At least that has been the case if you ignore his stint at SF. 13-3 turned to 11-4-1 to 12-4 turned to 8-8 in year 4.
He's staring down a 9-4 finish this year and with that schedule, combined with the offensive firepower he has coming back next year, 9-4 would have to be considered a great (
) season.
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Nigel Tufnel
Choking on vomit
Meh, while they may fawn on Jimmy a bit too much, I think the article is generally on point. The point of the article is that if Jimmy doesn’t do it, it’s because that program up there is no longer relevant. The article basically suggests exactly what this board has been stating for years, and that is that TTUN hasn’t really been relevant in college football since the inception of the forward pass.
Personally, I look forward to yet another failure by Jimmy, and then him bolting to another program where he has some success. Meanwhile TTUN will continue to be mired in mediocrity. And it will be obvious that this mediocrity is permanent. And there will be no more reason for the arrogance they have assumed for so long. I welcome this day.
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Nigel Tufnel
Choking on vomit
If by “next year” you mean they will always be pointing to “next year”, then yeah, I’ll agree. They will never be pointing to this year. As my previous post states, TTUN’s days of relevance are gone. They are Tennessee with the additional baggage of arrogance and without a real Natty since 1948.
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Plus, unless Peters is indeed the second coming of Andrew Luck...or at least Alex Smith...they still have serious issues at QB; and the OL isn't a youth problem, it's a talent problem. As long as that's the case, the running game is still going to have a problem diverting pressure from a shaky QB situation.
They should remain pretty good on defense, as most of it returns, but I just do not see how they make the significant leap they will need to make offensively to secure a breakout season. That's a recipe for another 3-4 loss season.
So, what if I told you four years into the Harbrau-era, scUM would have done the following:
10-3
10-3
9-4
10-3
...with zero conference titles, zero playoff appearances and a losing record against his rivals. Would that be them getting their money's worth?
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Some more fun from the Emil Ekiyor thread over on MGoBlog- enter Dawggoblue in defense of the Harbrau:
October 25th, 2017 at 1:37 PM
(Reply to #80)#32
Dawggoblue
Joined: 09/26/2011
MGoPoints: 1798
Umm
Now let's pretend like every football team doesn't have a fan blog where 50+% of the posters are morons who are constantly complaining about someone's inferior play or demanding that some coach or another be fired.
The program he committed to doing poorly? The program has won 25 games since Harbaugh arrived. How many power 5 programs can make that claim? 10-12? The program is not doing poorly, most of the morons on the blog just have unrealistic expectations. Get over yourselves, no one actually cares about your opinion anyway.
Harbaugh has the 10th highest winning % of active D1 coaches that have been head coaches for 10+ years. That includes a guy who won almost all of his games at the D3 level. That includes Chris Petersen who won most of his games at a Mid Major. Factor that in with the fact that all 3 programs that Harbaugh took over were relative dumpster fires before his arrival and I would say that his track record is just short of spectacular.
You know the worst part of being a Michigan fan? Dealing with you people.
(This wasn't targeted directly at you, sorry for the fact that you got to be my punching bag.)
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Well, as to the first claim - 25 wins 2015 to 10/25/17:
Alabama
Clemson
Ohio State
Oklahoma
Western Kentucky
Stanford
Houston
Appalachain State
San Diego State
Western Michigan
Wisconsin
Oklahoma State
Toledo
Navy
South Florida
Washington
Georgia
Penn State
can boast 25 wins or more in that time frame. That's 18 schools, for those scoring at home.
While he's right about the active coaches with 10 or more years experience and winning percentage, his best "comparable" on the list is Dabo Swinney who has also coached for 10 years. Dabo has 5 division titles, 3 conference championships, 2 national championship appearances, and 1 national championship to go along with his 95-29 .766 record. All for the low low price of 6.5 million... compared to Mr. Spectacular's zero division titles, zero conference titles**, zero national championship appearances and zero national championships to go along with his 83-35 .703 record. Mr. Spectacular only costs scUM 9.25 million a year.
Come to think of it, maybe his "best" comparable is Kevin Sumlin and his 84-40 .677 for the price of only 5.4 million. Of course, Sumlin did win C-USA twice, which is more than Jimmah can say, so it may be a bit of a wash.
** He did get two pioneer league titles at San Diego (FCS) in 2005 and 2006. In 2005, that 11-1 record and league title resulted in not having been ranked in the final FCS Poll. His follow up in 2006, 11-1 record earned his Toreros a ranking of ..... drum roll..... 20th. It should also be noted, the claim that San Diego was awful when The Harbrau took over isn't exactly true. In 2003, they were the Co Champs of the PFL, Jimmah took over in 2004 and went 7-4
October 25th, 2017 at 1:37 PM
(Reply to #80)#32
Dawggoblue
Joined: 09/26/2011
MGoPoints: 1798
Umm
Now let's pretend like every football team doesn't have a fan blog where 50+% of the posters are morons who are constantly complaining about someone's inferior play or demanding that some coach or another be fired.
The program he committed to doing poorly? The program has won 25 games since Harbaugh arrived. How many power 5 programs can make that claim? 10-12? The program is not doing poorly, most of the morons on the blog just have unrealistic expectations. Get over yourselves, no one actually cares about your opinion anyway.
Harbaugh has the 10th highest winning % of active D1 coaches that have been head coaches for 10+ years. That includes a guy who won almost all of his games at the D3 level. That includes Chris Petersen who won most of his games at a Mid Major. Factor that in with the fact that all 3 programs that Harbaugh took over were relative dumpster fires before his arrival and I would say that his track record is just short of spectacular.
You know the worst part of being a Michigan fan? Dealing with you people.
(This wasn't targeted directly at you, sorry for the fact that you got to be my punching bag.)
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Well, as to the first claim - 25 wins 2015 to 10/25/17:
Alabama
Clemson
Ohio State
Oklahoma
Western Kentucky
Stanford
Houston
Appalachain State
San Diego State
Western Michigan
Wisconsin
Oklahoma State
Toledo
Navy
South Florida
Washington
Georgia
Penn State
can boast 25 wins or more in that time frame. That's 18 schools, for those scoring at home.
While he's right about the active coaches with 10 or more years experience and winning percentage, his best "comparable" on the list is Dabo Swinney who has also coached for 10 years. Dabo has 5 division titles, 3 conference championships, 2 national championship appearances, and 1 national championship to go along with his 95-29 .766 record. All for the low low price of 6.5 million... compared to Mr. Spectacular's zero division titles, zero conference titles**, zero national championship appearances and zero national championships to go along with his 83-35 .703 record. Mr. Spectacular only costs scUM 9.25 million a year.
Come to think of it, maybe his "best" comparable is Kevin Sumlin and his 84-40 .677 for the price of only 5.4 million. Of course, Sumlin did win C-USA twice, which is more than Jimmah can say, so it may be a bit of a wash.
** He did get two pioneer league titles at San Diego (FCS) in 2005 and 2006. In 2005, that 11-1 record and league title resulted in not having been ranked in the final FCS Poll. His follow up in 2006, 11-1 record earned his Toreros a ranking of ..... drum roll..... 20th. It should also be noted, the claim that San Diego was awful when The Harbrau took over isn't exactly true. In 2003, they were the Co Champs of the PFL, Jimmah took over in 2004 and went 7-4
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I can't argue with a lot of that article. But, I think Harbrau is pretty overrated as a coach for a number of reasons.
One, he does not always make the best choices in assistant coaches. Yes, this happens to the best of them (*cough* Tim Beck *cough*), however, the issue with Harbrau is his unwillingness to make moves when there are issues on his coaching staff. Greg Roman had as much to do with torpedoing his SF tenure as anything else. The man was a one-trick pony as an OC, and could not adapt with Kaepernick at OC. By year three, his offense was seriously damaged, and by year four, it was hard broken. He stuck with him til the end, and it cost him that 2014 season, and ultimately his job (along with some personality issues).
For a supposed offensive coach, he has presided over some pretty bad offenses, pretty regularly. At Stanford, he had the fortune of landing a generational talent at QB. Remove Andrew Luck from the equation, and Stanford had some sludge-fart offenses. In SF, aside from about a magical half-season when the league had no idea how to stop Kaepernick and the hybrid-pistol offense he operated out of, it was mostly a ground and pound offense. When the league caught up to Kaepernick's faults, Harbaugh/Roman had no answer to counter it. They tried to make a guy who could not read defenses...read defenses. At scUM, he had a meh offense in 2015; an offense that started strong in 2016, then faltered down the stretch against better competition; and an absolute disaster this year.
The "QB whisperer" stuff is crap. Outside of Andrew Luck, he's done what? He had terrible QB play at Stanford (obviously talent related) before Luck. In SF he made Alex Smith a solid game manager. He took a unicorn athlete QB who was at his best moving around and improvising and tried to make him a pocket passer. At scUM, he took a grad transfer who already had two years experience as a starter and made him marginally better, then made Speight John Navarre-lite. Now he's relying on a terrible QB because apparently, the two 4* QB's he recruited (one was a Hoke commit, but re-affirmed to harbrau) aren't better options than a guy who can barely crack 6 ypa.
Lastly, his personality. He's, shall we say, a little high strung. I'm a Niners fan, so I'm quite familiar with his coaching tendencies. The guy is not wired to remain cool in pressure situations. The prime example being the SuperBowl against the Ravens. They were far more talented, but they went into that game so tight that they got their doors blown off for 2.5 quarters by an inferior team. Then, after mounting a furious comeback when they had nothing to lose, Jimbo puckers up at the end of the game as they're in a position to actually pull of an improbable comeback by calling three straight passes on the goalline, ignoring the power run game behind one of the league's better OL's that helped get them there. The guy loses his shit when the pressure is on, and his teams take on his personality.
He's not a terrible coach. He's as good as they can probably hope for. But, I said it when they hired him, and I'll say it again...his ceiling is 1998-06 Lloyd Carr.
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So, this guy's okay paying him more than any other coach than Nick Saban (who wins TITLES, lots of them) and being the same as 10-12 (18 as shown) other teams? Cool.
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I have an even better example, @NFBuck :
Jim Harbaugh threw a tantrum, smashed his headset, and gave Ohio State crucial yards
Jim Harbaugh threw a tantrum, smashed his headset, and gave Ohio State crucial yards
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You've surely noticed a much more subdued Jimbo on the sidelines this season. The lack of gif fodder is killing me. There have actually been threads on scUM boards blaming the "more tame" harbrau for some of their struggles this year.
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Nothing separates these 2 lines. The worst part of being a Michigan fan is dealing with you......not directed at you or anything.
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