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SimPLLLLLLLe Jim "6-13" Harbaugh (B1G Suspenders McKhakiPants, Cheater Cheater Booger Eater)

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sandgk;1847781; said:
At this point there is little you can learn - so fixed in fighting strawmen are you.
From my original post ....

Oh, as for the datedness - does the year 2007-8 ring a bell? That was when Lane Kiffin was still with the Oakland Raiders. But everything to you sounds like 1995?
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As I said before--that dated information MIGHT be relevant if we didn't have any other information to go on such as, you know, yesterday's reports regarding salary.

Except for the important truths that Carroll was not "right out of college" and, rumors notwithstanding, Harbaugh is not making top dollar in the NFL.


More strawman erections by you ... if I meant that I would have said that. The contention you raised was Carroll was "right out of college" clearly he was not.
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Is the Carroll example perfect? I guess not, considering he did have some NFL experience (albeit nothing spectacular). However, he's the closest thing we have to a Harbaugh comparison--guy who made his coaching mark in the college game and is now a white-hot candidate for several NFL HC positions. Are you really questioning that? I'm really not trying to set up a strawman here (your attempting to insist otherwise, likely to avoid addressing the Carroll-Harbaugh parallel head-on), but do you really think that Carroll was given $6.5 million/year because he was 2 games over .500 back in the 90s? Because otherwise I think you'd have to admit that he's a pretty good comparison to Harbaugh.

Another strawman. But, what else should I expect - you cannot actually defend your original words.
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Decide to type the foregoing instead of using the word "pinhead" again?

BTW, neither do you generally see NFL teams throw bigger than average money at neophyte NFL HCs. And, again Carroll doesn't count - he provides a unique NFL to College to NFL trajectory.
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Why doesn't Carroll count? Because he's the closest thing the NFL has to Harbaugh and, because he makes $6.5 million/year, provides a good counterexample to your claim that Harbaugh won't get top dollar in the NFL?

You do recall that, right? You assert the money will be more there, that alone is doubtful.
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I guess we'll see. I'll come back here and admit I'm wrong if he goes to the NFL and only makes $3 million/year. Will you come back and admit you're wrong if he makes $5-6 million/year?

Established college coaches - especially those in a strong leverage position like Harbaugh, can and do make money outstripping NFL-HCs ... especially those without prior NFL-HC experience.
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Link?
 
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Honestly, I can see Harbaugh staying. Stanford's athletic department is funded by a $5B endowment (read that on the Boysee State board so could be wrong). If the admins are serious about paying him and giving him the facilities and resources to sustain his success, they can be competitive with other jobs around the country.

What intrigues me about Harbaugh going to Michigan is if he puts his money where his mouth is and ends the concentrating the football players in the academic ghettos of kinesiology and general studies.
 
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Dryden;1847695; said:
The fact that Coop even made it beyond four years to put together the '93, '95, '96, and '98 teams is remarkable, and a sign of how different things were not even twenty years ago.

If there were as intense media scrutiny then as there is now, John Cooper would have been fired Dec 27, 1990. Going 4-6-1, 8-4, and 7-4-1 over three years, and 0-5 against Michigan and in bowls would seal the deal.

Even if he got another year, in 1991 Ohio State lost The Game by the score of 3-31. No coach in America gets a fifth year after that.
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Yeahhhh, I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you on that one.

After the debacle of the Bruce firing, the head coach was absolutely guaranteed a very long leash and the presence of increased media scrutiny and the interweb tubes would not have changed that. The only thing that would have prevented Coop from getting a minimum of six years would have been multiple losing seasons on the field AND some meltdown off the field (rampant arrests and/or sanctions). Ohio State was not going to go back to the "Graveyard of Coaches" reputation, and Earl's pain was Coop's gain.

Coop had his breakthrough season in '93, which bought him another 5-6 years. It was only after the program was sliding back on the field AND off the field issues were spiraling out of control was he finally whacked.

BTW, my opinion is that the above course of action was correct despite the pain of those yearly UM and bowl losses.
 
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Rich Rod Fired

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5988308

Rich Rodriguez fired, report says

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ESPN.com news services

Michigan has fired football coach Rich Rodriguez after his third season ended with a school-record 38-point loss in the Gator Bowl, Fox 2 TV in Detroit is reporting.

The report comes after Rodriguez met with athletic director Dave Brandon earlier Tuesday.

Members of the football team are scheduled to meet at 7 p.m. ET on Tuesday, according to another report out of Ann Arbor.

Michigan's Gator Bowl loss to Mississippi State knocked Rodriguez's overall record to 15-22 with college football's winningest program.

Michigan will owe the coach $2.5 million to buy out the final three years of his contract.
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RING RING JIMMY......Hopefully your not on a yaht somewhere
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1847845; said:
Honestly, I can see Harbaugh staying. Stanford's athletic department is funded by a $5B endowment (read that on the Boysee State board so could be wrong). If the admins are serious about paying him and giving him the facilities and resources to sustain his success, they can be competitive with other jobs around the country.
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Stanford's already given Harbaugh the facilities he wanted. :tongue2:

Link (from August, 2009)

Stanford football: Harbaugh, Arrillaga and the $50,000 bathroom

At a time when budget cuts are threatening college athletic departments everywhere, the Stanford football program is well cared for.

Or, at least, Coach Jim Harbaugh is.

This summer, Stanford mega-donor John Arrillaga built a private luxury bathroom and shower for Harbaugh that sources said cost between $50,000 and $70,000.

"John A did a nice job," Harbaugh said Monday of the man who built Stanford Stadium.

The bathroom might look good from the inside, but it looks awful from the outside.

The Stanford athletic department is facing a multi-million revenue shortfall. Fundraising has cratered. Team budgets are being sliced. More than 20 jobs have been eliminated through layoffs and buyouts, and at least one sport (fencing) is in danger of being cut.

So by all means, build the football coach a private bathroom.

?It was something I?d asked for,?? Harbaugh said. ?It cuts down on drag.??
In other words, it saves time.

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