SimPLLLLLLLe Jim "6-13" Harbaugh (B1G Suspenders McKhakiPants, Cheater Cheater Booger Eater)

[Elephant]

I would not touch that Michigan job anytime soon

 

[jlb1705]

Thing is he will never be a hotter commodity than he is right now. With Luck, he has turned around a dormant program and really pulled off an amazing job he is unlikely to repeat. Now is his time to cash in, because he won't have Luck forever, and he may not have him at all, and without that kind of unique talent I don't think he goes 11-1 at a place liek Stanford again. I think Harbaugh is wwwwaaayyyy better than DickRod as a coach, but it was the same situation, as DickRod had Slaton and White, which is a once in a generation combination, he cashed in while he was hot and got paid 3 years for pudwhacking at Michigan. Weis was hot property #1 coming off the SBs in NE, and he cashed in by eating his way through Notre Dame. Those guys sucked. I don't think Harbaugh will. Many people forget Gary Nord was the hottest commodity in coaching the year he hit it big at UTEP several seasons ago...a couple of seasons later he was fired and the dude can't even sniff a head gig. If Harbaugh wants the big job and big money, this is the opportune time for it.

I disagree with the "unlikely to repeat" part as it pertains to Stanford. First of all, he lost the Heisman runner-up and yet improved by four wins over last year. I think coaches that can accomplish something like that stand a pretty good chance at sustained success.

Also, he should have his pick of elite QB talent from here forward, so it's not out of the question to find another Andrew Luck. Pro-style QBs seem to grow on trees in California and I can't imagine the best ones choosing USC or UCLA much in the near future. Stanford has an excellent tradition at the QB position, and I think recruits are going to jump at the chance to play QB for a bigtime coach who played QB in the NFL no matter what school he's coaching.

 

[buckeyesin07]

WTF do you mean? That those aren't always the current head coaches? If so don't be such a complete pinhead - the chart illustrates the spread in NFL head coaches salaries. Unless you have links to show what new entry NFL coaches now make - straight out of college your original point stands contested, refuted and wrong. Where is your data? Oh, that's right, you have none.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Your attempting to support your spread conclusion with a laughably outdated chart certainly doesn't refute the reports yesterday indicating that Harbaugh could see an NFL salary that matches Carroll's $6.5 million/year.

No, you are wrong - Carroll is not an example fitting your argument at all.
Carroll has prior NFL-HC experience.

Wrong again. Carroll got the big dollars that he did from Seattle because of his wildly successful run at USC, not because of his previous NFL experience which was, quite simply, mediocre. Or are you really suggesting that Carroll is earning $6.5 million/year because of his NFL-HC experience? Because I don't see many NFL teams throwing that kind of cash at coaches who last sniffed the NFL 10 years ago, and who have career records of 2 games over .500.

Down to none because Carroll had early NFL-HC experience and ...
Harbaugh has no NFL-HC position.

As stated above, Carroll got the big bucks because of his great success in the college game. Exactly like Harbaugh will if he bolts for the NFL.

 

[Bucklion]

I disagree with the "unlikely to repeat" part as it pertains to Stanford. First of all, he lost the Heisman runner-up and yet improved by four wins over last year. I think coaches that can accomplish something like that stand a pretty good chance at sustained success.

Also, he should have his pick of elite QB talent from here forward, so it's not out of the question to find another Andrew Luck. Pro-style QBs seem to grow on trees in California and I can't imagine the best ones choosing USC or UCLA much in the near future. Stanford has an excellent tradition at the QB position, and I think recruits are going to jump at the chance to play QB for a bigtime coach who played QB in the NFL no matter what school he's coaching.

All I am saying is no one ever has since Pop Warner left. Bill Walsh didn't do it (especially the second time around), Jack Christiansen didn't, Dennis Green didn't, everyone's favorite Ty Willingham didn't...it's damn hard to maintain that level of success at a place like Ohio State, much less at Stanford. I'm not saying he can't be successful there, but I don't think it is a football program destined for dynastic dominance of the Pac 10/12/whatever it is now.

 

[Jake]

If Harbaugh was following Carr TSUN would make sense, given the types of players and the similarity of the system. He would've had Mallett and Threet at QB.

Now, he'd have Denard and Tater. Not exactly the kind of QBs you want running a pro style offense. Harbaugh would need time to rebuild the roster, which will be even harder after three seasons of mediocrity under Rich Rod.

As an OSU alum, I say have at it. We'll run the streak to 10 in a row before he can right that ship. It just doesn't make sense for Harbaugh.

 

[jlb1705]

All I am saying is no one ever has since Pop Warner left. Bill Walsh didn't do it (especially the second time around), Jack Christiansen didn't, Dennis Green didn't, everyone's favorite Ty Willingham didn't...it's damn hard to maintain that level of success at a place like Ohio State, much less at Stanford. I'm not saying he can't be successful there, but I don't think it is a football program destined for dynastic dominance of the Pac 10/12/whatever it is now.

All that is true. Then again, I don't think there's ever been a time in those previous eras where USC, UCLA and Washington were all down. If Stanford wants to take another step forward with their football program, right now might be the best chance they'll ever see.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

If Harbaugh was following Carr TSUN would make sense, given the types of players and the similarity of the system. He would've had Mallett and Threet at QB.

Now, he'd have Denard and Tater. Not exactly the kind of QBs you want running a pro style offense. Harbaugh would need time to rebuild the roster, which will be even harder after three seasons of mediocrity under Rich Rod.

As an OSU alum, I say have at it. We'll run the streak to 10 in a row before he can right that ship. It just doesn't make sense for Harbaugh.

I agree 100%. However, in the long run it's clearly in Michigan's best interest to get Harbaugh, because once he does get the ship righted I'm pretty sure it will stayed righted for a long time.

 

[buxfan4life]

Looks like the JH to Miami is picking up more steam than just local sports radio chatter:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/35032/report-dolphins-pursuing-jim-harbaugh

 

[3074326]

Good. I don't want to root against Harbaugh, even though he is a scUMmer. He's awesome in pretty much every way and I'd have a hard time rooting for his teams to piss down their legs every year.

Well.. I wouldn't have a hard time rooting against Michigan.. but you know what I mean..

 

[exhawg]

Looks like the JH to Miami is picking up more steam than just local sports radio chatter:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/35032/report-dolphins-pursuing-jim-harbaugh

If Miami is trying to talk Harbaugh into taking their non-vacant HC job they will get fucked by the Rooney rule. What minority is going to interview if everyone knows that Harbaugh is going to take the job? You can negotiate for a position that isn't open in college, but not the NFL. I'm patiently waiting for the dead bridge jumpers to be floating down Lake Erie. What the hell is scum going to do if they don't get their savior? Maybe LSU will let Les go this time.

 

[sflbuck]

Looks like the JH to Miami is picking up more steam than just local sports radio chatter:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/35032/report-dolphins-pursuing-jim-harbaugh

Just what Michigan needs, several NFL teams driving JH price up.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

If Miami is trying to talk Harbaugh into taking their non-vacant HC job they will get fucked by the Rooney rule. What minority is going to interview if everyone knows that Harbaugh is going to take the job? You can negotiate for a position that isn't open in college, but not the NFL. I'm patiently waiting for the dead bridge jumpers to be floating down Lake Erie. What the hell is scum going to do if they don't get their savior? Maybe LSU will let Les go this time.

I think NFL teams have shown that they can easily fulfill the Rooney Rule requirements when necessary, and without anyone's feelings being hurt... (see: Dallas, 2011)

 

[sandgk]

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Your attempting to support your spread conclusion with a laughably outdated chart certainly doesn't refute the reports yesterday indicating that Harbaugh could see an NFL salary that matches Carroll's $6.5 million/year.

At this point there is little you can learn - so fixed in fighting strawmen are you.
From my original post ....

that is slightly dated but it does serve to illustrate the significant spread in salaries

Oh, as for the datedness - does the year 2007-8 ring a bell? That was when Lane Kiffin was still with the Oakland Raiders. But everything to you sounds like 1995?

Originally Posted by buckeyesin07
Did you get that chart from 1995?

I note that you still choose to provide not one scintilla of evidence to support this next ...

That's two guys right out of college making top dollar in the NFL.

Except for the important truths that Carroll was not "right out of college" and, rumors notwithstanding, Harbaugh is not making top dollar in the NFL.

Or are you really suggesting that Carroll is earning $6.5 million/year because of his NFL-HC experience?

More strawman erections by you ... if I meant that I would have said that. The contention you raised was Carroll was "right out of college" clearly he was not.

Because I don't see many NFL teams throwing that kind of cash at coaches who last sniffed the NFL 10 years ago, and who have career records of 2 games over .500.

Another strawman. But, what else should I expect - you cannot actually defend your original words.
BTW, neither do you generally see NFL teams throw bigger than average money at neophyte NFL HCs. And, again Carroll doesn't count - he provides a unique NFL to College to NFL trajectory. He actually does provide one salient example - that of how important it is to not overpay, no matter if the individual is efectively holding down two positions.

And, last but not least - as it seems to have been totally forgotten by you - this entire interlocution arises from me questioning an assumption you made: this one ...

Originally Posted by buckeyesin07
And it's the reason I think he will ultimately go to an NFL team--not only will the money be more there,

You do recall that, right? You assert the money will be more there, that alone is doubtful. Established college coaches - especially those in a strong leverage position like Harbaugh, can and do make money outstripping NFL-HCs ... especially those without prior NFL-HC experience.

 

[MaxBuck]

What minority is going to interview if everyone knows that Harbaugh is going to take the job?

This man:

 

[exhawg]

This man:

I wouldn't want to risk pissing him off.