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Should semipro/college players be paid, or allowed to sell their stuff? (NIL)

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One potential solution is to extend the 25 new scholarship rule for HS commitments to the overall number of new players on a team. It will never happen, but if they only allowed each team 25 new players each year (and I mean only 25 new guys can appear in games the one year compared to the previous year, no ‘January counts against the prior year’ BS), it could limit the Wild West nature of what’s evidencing itself now.

Every team would have to decide if they add 25 new HS recruits, or 10 HS recruits and 15 transfers, or whatever combination adds up to 25. I’m sure teams would try to add a few more every year for players medically ‘no longer able’, but it would limit a team from adding 50 guys in a year because they promise them all a ton of NIL money.

And if you lose 15 guys to the transfer portal, you still only get 25 new players. Figure out what you’re doing wrong so you don’t lose so many guys.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
If they can unionize then you could create a new organization (the current P5 let's say in place of the NCAA) make rules that fit the modern realities and collectively bargain with the athletes. The new league governs itself just like the NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL do. Member entities that used to skirt the NCAA rules aggressively (SEC) have a voice in the new rules and hopefully there are real mechanisms for enforcement. Basically you get a chance to get every aligned through their own self interest instead of them being more motivated to break stupid or unenforceable rules. They would also have to be careful with things that could be in violation of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

This might actually be a positive step. Who knows?
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Nutriaitch said:
so turn the greatest sport in the history of mankind into the same ole same ole crap heap?

i swear it's like people are trying to intentionally ruin everything about the game.
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The people who initiated that momentum are the athletes themselves. They started talking about unionizing, using social media to coordinate nationwide, and suddenly it became okay to make money off your NIL. The last thing programs wanted was players collectively bargaining, so we've got the free-for-all NIL stuff instead.

It was a nice run, but the college football many of us grew up with is long gone. I'd rather have an organized model where everyone plays by the same rules and there's an agency to enforce it. At least there would be some guardrails.
 
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Jake said:
The people who initiated that momentum are the athletes themselves. They started talking about unionizing, using social media to coordinate nationwide, and suddenly it became okay to make money off your NIL. The last thing programs wanted was players collectively bargaining, so we've got the free-for-all NIL stuff instead.

It was a nice run, but the college football many of us grew up with is long gone. I'd rather have an organized model where everyone plays by the same rules and there's an agency to enforce it. At least there would be some guardrails.
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Mostly agree. I will say that the college football I grew up with isn't gone just because kids get paid. I never sat around basking in the glory of their serfdom, personally.
 
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Since I am hearing on here that NIL collectives can't offer a contract to prospective players, I did a quick look of the NIL executive order.

I don't see anything preventing a collective from setting up a deal for a prospective student athlete. As a prospective student, it's even questionable whether they are covered by the law because they aren't a student athlete yet. They are just citizens that are entering into a negotiation with a company. You can even get rid of the pay for play aspect by having verbal agreements about what they could receive and then sign the paperwork once they sign with the school. It's more about the players knowing what they will get on signing day than getting it in their hands during the recruitment that should level us with other schools (even if they are offering cash during the recruiting phase).

The only limitation on the school is they aren't allowed to help set up a direct any student or prospective student to an NIL deal. You get around that by having the coaches talk to the NIL about who they are pursuing, and let the NILs reach out to the students and set up deals. Questionable, yes; will the AG sue OSU over it, hell no.

Does anyone else see anything different?
 
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TampaBuckeyes said:
Since I am hearing on here that NIL collectives can't offer a contract to prospective players, I did a quick look of the NIL executive order.

I don't see anything preventing a collective from setting up a deal for a prospective student athlete. As a prospective student, it's even questionable whether they are covered by the law because they aren't a student athlete yet. They are just citizens that are entering into a negotiation with a company. You can even get rid of the pay for play aspect by having verbal agreements about what they could receive and then sign the paperwork once they sign with the school. It's more about the players knowing what they will get on signing day than getting it in their hands during the recruitment that should level us with other schools (even if they are offering cash during the recruiting phase).

The only limitation on the school is they aren't allowed to help set up a direct any student or prospective student to an NIL deal. You get around that by having the coaches talk to the NIL about who they are pursuing, and let the NILs reach out to the students and set up deals. Questionable, yes; will the AG sue OSU over it, hell no.

Does anyone else see anything different?
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No. You are seeing it as it is.

I think people are confusing the statements from some coaches and the NCAA rules that didn't want it to be used as an inducement/pay for play. It's completely unenforceable so it may as well not even exist.

Anyone who falls behind on this because they want to "do it the right way" is being naïve to the point of absurdity. They are trying to fight a bar brawl by the Queensberry rule book (and unsurprisingly getting thrashed.)
 
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Jaxbuck said:
No. You are seeing it as it is.

I think people are confusing the statements from some coaches and the NCAA rules that didn't want it to be used as an inducement/pay for play. It's completely unenforceable so it may as well not even exist.

Anyone who falls behind on this because they want to "do it the right way" is being naïve to the point of absurdity. They are trying to fight a bar brawl by the Queensberry rule book (and unsurprisingly getting thrashed.)
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It might be a little more complex than naive desires to do things the right way. It might be the very real fear of letting people like Zach Smith, the Smails kid or an ex-coach with a grudge get real leverage and power over the program and athletic department.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Mostly agree. I will say that the college football I grew up with isn't gone just because kids get paid. I never sat around basking in the glory of their serfdom, personally.
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THAT they are getting paid isn't the issue.
if NIL was actually used the way it was (allegedly) intended, it would probably still be awesome.

it should be allowing a kid to go out and secure what he can in endorsement type deals, and not "how much you paying me to sign here?"

so then only a select few would land big money deals (think Bryce Young doing Dr Pepper commercials).
everyone else could still make deals, but it would literally be based off the value of their own name.

so backup punter might only make a couple hundred bucks signing autographs at his hometown muffler shop.
a starting O-Lineman might parlay it into a few thousand to do commercials for the local car lot.
a stud RB or WR could land a gig for a larger brand, like maybe regional restaurants, etc..
and the biggest of stars would land national type deals.
etc.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
It might be a little more complex than naive desires to do things the right way. It might be the very real fear of letting people like Zach Smith, the Smails kid or an ex-coach with a grudge get real leverage and power over the program and athletic department.
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Then they need to work behind the scenes with someone to set up a real partnership with a capable NIL outfit. Or spread the risk around by not having just one dominant partner. This is blocking and tackling level stuff for Gene to be doing while Day coaches and Pantoni tells someone(s) who he wants and what the market price seems to be. Doing nothing out of fear that some bad actor might get leverage over the athletic program would be mind-numbingly incompetent on Smiths part.

Also, they keep dropping the "do the right thing" phrase every chance they get so you have to give it some value, especially given Gene's career long relationship with the NCAA and the infamous 2011 reading of those particular tea leaves.

At the end of the day, there is no excuse for a program with the base that OSU has to be behind in the NIL game.
 
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