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Should semipro/college players be paid, or allowed to sell their stuff? (NIL and Revenue Sharing)

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zincfinger said:
Nor did anyone else. But college football is second-rate football, and it only exists as a marketable phenomenon because it occupies a particular niche. Fuck with that niche, and you will destroy its marketability.
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So paying kids somehow fucks with the niche?

We’re back to the scenario where someone is going to stop watching the Buckeyes because the kids get paid?

I just don’t see it.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
So paying kids somehow fucks with the niche?

We’re back to the scenario where someone is going to stop watching the Buckeyes because the kids get paid?

I just don’t see it.
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Sounds like a lot of old heads rather go back to the times of guys getting paid under the table and fans acting sanctimonious like their team won NCs “the right way”, without financial inducement. The only niche CFB has ever had was not paying the talent on the field and acting like providing scholarships, room and board was equal.
Fans aren’t going to stop watching CFB due to this, just like fans didn’t stop watching the NFL after all the political/kneeling issues. Ratings will rise if teams play in the CFP that excite them. The Peach Bowl had no problem drawing eyes
 
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AG and the Buckeyehuddle podcast said that schools with collectives offering wild numbers in NIL will end up hurting the programs in the end. Family's talk to one another, and once word gets out that a collective offers a kid millions, and can't come up with the money(cough cough Florida:roll2:) then those schools wil suffer in recruiting. And coach's have to be furious! You think that you secured a 5star due to a massive NIL that you can't control, but then the collective can't come up with the funds and the kid either decommits or no longer wants to sign with your program. The other issue, is that power/leverage drastically favors players at schools using NIL to induce players, because if a player at my position was (rumored) offered 7 figures, then please believe that I'll be asking for a similar deal if not more. Kids(and their families) coming into coaches offices expecting more PT based on their NIL deals and want more say in the locker room. That's a recipe for disaster.

https://buckeyehuddle.com/2023/01/1...about-to-blow-up-college-football-recruiting/
 
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pnuts34 said:
AG and the Buckeyehuddle podcast said that schools with collectives offering wild numbers in NIL will end up hurting the programs in the end. Family's talk to one another, and once word gets out that a collective offers a kid millions, and can't come up with the money(cough cough Florida:roll2:) then those schools wil suffer in recruiting. And coach's have to be furious! You think that you secured a 5star due to a massive NIL that you can't control, but then the collective can't come up with the funds and the kid either decommits or no longer wants to sign with your program. The other issue, is that power/leverage drastically favors players at schools using NIL to induce players, because if a player at my position was (rumored) offered 7 figures, then please believe that I'll be asking for a similar deal if not more. Kids(and their families) coming into coaches offices expecting more PT based on their NIL deals and want more say in the locker room. That's a recipe for disaster.

https://buckeyehuddle.com/2023/01/1...about-to-blow-up-college-football-recruiting/
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As things play out, the unintended consequences start to reveal themselves.

I never for one second thought anyone would be so shit all stupid as to make NIL promises they couldn't deliver on. It literally never crossed my mind.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
As things play out, the unintended consequences start to reveal themselves.

I never for one second thought anyone would be so shit all stupid as to make NIL promises they couldn't deliver on. It literally never crossed my mind.
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Did you forget the sarcasm font?

This is why fans clamoring for OSU to get into these NIL battles baffle me. If your team is mainly guys who only sign to your school based on money that a collective separate from the school provided, your team will have mixed results. The big difference in the NFL, is you're dealing with adults with agents agreeing to deals. In CFB, NIL is mainly done through family members and teenagers who are clueless to fine print and financial deals in many cases. And the most frusterating piece to all of this, is the coaches having no control over the deals. Sure they can agree with these collectives on which kids to pursue, but you're not offering a high ranked kid high 6 figures to 7 figures to sit and learn a system. I'm sure almost all of Miami's class expects to start. And where does that leave returning starters who saw success in their new system? What could go wrong :blush:
 
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pnuts34 said:
The only niche CFB has ever had was not paying the talent on the field and acting like providing scholarships, room and board was equal
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I agree with everything else, but this just doesn't jive imo.
Even in baseball' heyday, AAA and AA were never big sellers. There have been many attempts at creating a 2nd level of NFL... Arena, XFL, Europe, etc.

2nd rate football in the form of College sells a lot because it ties into regional loyalties via University identity in a way that NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL/MLS/etc cant.

That said, i dont think NIL changes that relationship. At all.
 
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kujirakira said:
I agree with everything else, but this just doesn't jive imo.
Even in baseball' heyday, AAA and AA were never big sellers. There have been many attempts at creating a 2nd level of NFL... Arena, XFL, Europe, etc.

2nd rate football in the form of College sells a lot because it ties into regional loyalties via University identity in a way that NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL/MLS/etc cant.

That said, i dont think NIL changes that relationship. At all.
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The point isn’t big sellers, but AAA and AA baseball offered opportunities for players to earn an income. Something CFB has never done, and masqueraded itself as keeping the kids as amateurs. Though every AD knew full well that their players were being payed by boosters of their school.
Arena, XFL and Europe NFL never worked because they were gimmicks. And never were a viable option to the NFL. If players with big name recognition went to an opposing league much like the USFL or ABA back in the day, fans would watch. But the NFL would never let that happen, and the NBA didn’t let that happen when they found the ABA as a threat. Honestly, if there wasn’t an age limit, much more kids would forgoe college for the pros previously. At least NIL will keep a number of kids in school, and some possibly longer to earn their degree
 
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California lawmaker introduces bill calling for shared revenue between schools, athletes​


A California lawmaker proposed a bill requiring in-state schools with major college sports to directly pay select athletes in a revenue sharing system, according to multiple reports. California assemblyman and ex-San Diego State men's basketball player Chris Holden sponsors the College Athletic Protection Act, citing a need for additional player compensation and protection amid hesitancy from Congress.

"I’m not prepared to wait for Congress to address this pressing issue,” Holden told reporters Thursday in front of the Rose Bowl Stadium in Pasadena, Calif., via the Associated Press. “This is an extremely competitive and comprehensive bill that I believe will provide the income and health services that our college athletes deserve.”

Assembly Bill 252, if passed into law, would enable athletes to earn no more that $25,000 annually. Schools would still be required to cove the cost of six-year guaranteed athletic scholarships and post-college medical expenses, according to reports.

The bill calls for Division I schools in California to share 50% of revenue with athletes whose athletic scholarships are disproportional to their market value. Football and men's basketball athletes are the two primary sports of focus, though it is not exclusive to those two areas of competition.

“It’s a bill that will end the blatant exploitation of California’s college athletes,” Ramogi Huma, executive director of the National College Players Association, told The AP. “The NCAA’s economic model is illegal and based on racial injustice. The NCAA uses amateurism as cover to systemically strip generational wealth from predominantly Black athletes from lower income households to pay for lavish salaries of predominantly white coaches, athletic directors, commissioners and NCAA administrators.”
 
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