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SEC (It just means more.. even its losses are wins)

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zincfinger said:
The two programs' only meeting to date was in the January '93 Orange Bowl, where the Kirk Herbstreit-led Buckeyes failed to deliver victory against the 9th ranked Bulldogs. This was OSU's next game after Gordon Gee's infamous "This tie is one of our greatest wins ever" comment.
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I was under the impression that there was a home-home scheduled in the 2020s that got cancelled some time ago.
 
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BigWoof31 said:
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220...800,000,000....whatever it takes!
 
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Maybe, Vandy is supposed to be a 'smart' school.....start with the revenue producing sports....build those facilities......which will improve recruiting/fan participation, then go for a big fund raiser, and then chip away at the rest of the facilities. A bit long range for most folk, but seems like that is the plan that tOSU used for our stadia/fields/etc. Also helps that tOSU has a muuuuuuch larger fan base than Vandy. More givers.

PS, now tOSU is developing new wrestling, tennis, and other venues (plus a bunch of other non-revenue sports facilities), non-NCAA competitive clubs types, as well. kinda the cherry on the cake.
 
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calibuck said:
PS, now tOSU is developing new wrestling, tennis, and other venues (plus a bunch of other non-revenue sports facilities), non-NCAA competitive clubs types, as well. kinda the cherry on the cake.
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Kudos to you and the Stanfords of the world. Every year we (Florida) compete for the Learfield IMG College Directors' Cup. We currently hold the longest top-10 Learfield finish streak in the nation. Tree, obviously, dominates. But we do it with 23 varsity teams - versus 37 for tOSU, and 36 for Stanford, 31 Penn State, etc. The more sports from which to draw to be included in the 19 that make up the Learfield Trophy increase the odds of getting points. Duh. A smart program will have lots of small women's programs in play, as they will cost little to run, and the odd national championship will give you the same 100 points as LSU winning football. Plus, I just like the thought of more programs and it bringing in more different types of students from different parts of the country with diverse backgrounds. Adding more non-NCAA competitive clubs types at tOSU is awesome. It brings an even better college experience.
  • Division I: Count 19 sports with the following breakdowns (decreased by 1, 19.1 avg.)
    - Four of which must be Baseball and Men's Basketball, Women's Basketball and Women's Volleyball
    - The next highest 15 (max.) sports scored for each institution, regardless of gender, will be used in the standings
 
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Gatorubet said:
Kudos to you and the Stanfords of the world. Every year we (Florida) compete for the Learfield IMG College Directors' Cup. We currently hold the longest top-10 Learfield finish streak in the nation. Tree, obviously, dominates. But we do it with 23 varsity teams - versus 37 for tOSU, and 36 for Stanford, 31 Penn State, etc. The more sports from which to draw to be included in the 19 that make up the Learfield Trophy increase the odds of getting points. Duh. A smart program will have lots of small women's programs in play, as they will cost little to run, and the odd national championship will give you the same 100 points as LSU winning football. Plus, I just like the thought of more programs and it bringing in more different types of students from different parts of the country with diverse backgrounds. Adding more non-NCAA competitive clubs types at tOSU is awesome. It brings an even better college experience.
  • Division I: Count 19 sports with the following breakdowns (decreased by 1, 19.1 avg.)
    - Four of which must be Baseball and Men's Basketball, Women's Basketball and Women's Volleyball
    - The next highest 15 (max.) sports scored for each institution, regardless of gender, will be used in the standings
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You're making a Quantity > Quality thing, then slam dunking that being able to spend more on a few sports ends up working out better.
When resources are finite and you can put 160% more $$$ into the sports you choose to compete in, you can do a lot better in those sports. Duh.

Obviously, there is some happy medium of competing in enough sports to spread points, but not so many that you dilute your finances and can guarantee being at a high level in more than others.
Congratulations, 23 might be the magic number ?

Meanwhile, I've never heard of this before and it sounds oddly like UT patting themselves on the back for ranking highly in some Saudi Arabian metric for Universities... or PSU' Honor College being considered by somebody to be equal to Ivy League.
Like... neat. Cool story bro.
 
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kujirakira said:
You're making a Quantity > Quality thing, then slam dunking that being able to spend more on a few sports ends up working out better.
When resources are finite and you can put 160% more $$$ into the sports you choose to compete in, you can do a lot better in those sports. Duh.
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I'm making the observation that if you have more programs to include in your best 19 than the other school, that might be advantageous. I have no earthly idea what it costs to run programs 1-15 versus 16-30 at any school, but if you get 100 points for winning one of the the cheapest five programs, it would seem to be good business to spend money on ten good cheap programs versus two or three good expensive ones. Of course there is a quality versus quantity. I'm sure there are Title IX regs that make adding any new program far more difficult than just hitting up rich alums to start a program. But it has to cost less for fencing and beach volleyball and bowling than softball and swimming.

kujirakira said:
Obviously, there is some happy medium of competing in enough sports to spread points, but not so many that you dilute your finances and can guarantee being at a high level in more than others. Congratulations, 23 might be the magic number ?
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I think you are right. 23 will never win the damn thing. Women's and spring sports carry our load, Learfield wise. Gators women's tennis and gymnastics is always pretty good, as it softball. Our baseball is top notch. Men's Golf used to be money, but not so much now. I just wish we had some of the other programs for the reasons I mentioned in my prior post.

kujirakira said:
Meanwhile, I've never heard of this before and it sounds oddly like UT patting themselves on the back for ranking highly in some Saudi Arabian metric for Universities... or PSU' Honor College being considered by somebody to be equal to Ivy League.
Like... neat. Cool story bro.
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You've never heard of the Director's Cup? OK. It sure as shit is not as good as a natty in football or basketball or baseball. But it could be seen as an indication that your overall athletic department is doing well. tOSU has always done well in the thing.
 
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Thanks Gator, never realized/knew that the mens/women's sports were variable. Believed that they were 'fixed' with 10 and 10, mens and women's respectively. With tOSU's rifle/pistol and syncro swimming, that's an automatic 200 points (more or less) every year. Yeah, look them up every so often, there's even a link on BP for posters. Florida is far and away the SEC's leader in the Cup (used to be called the Director's Cup), while the B10 usually plants 4-6 in top echelon. I'm not certain how many varsity sports tOSU fields, or club sports but it is said that the athletic budget covers ALL of the costs for these sports, revenue or not. THAT is a great accomplishment, giving many students not 5* running backs the chance to continue their athletic endeavors beyond high school or club sports. Great opportunity to get away from the books for awhile. PLus, tOSU athletic department contributes (someone will correct me here, I believe), around $10 million or so to tOSU general fund. Finally, ALL of these athletic facilities, principal and interest, are paid for by this same athletic fund. Go Bucks. PS, Stanford has won this Cup every year since inception. Football is their LEAST sport. Go Bucks!
 
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