SEC (It just means more.. even its losses are wins)

[ScriptOhio]

Interesting article on where the SEC teams stand on the CCG and CFPs:

What are the SEC’s championship game tiebreakers? Who’s got the best shot at the playoff?

With three weeks left in the regular season, there’s a very real possibility of a 7-way tie for second place in the SEC

www.al.com

What are the SEC’s championship game tiebreakers? Who’s got the best shot at the playoff?​

There’s a very real possibility there could be a 7-way tie for second place in the SEC when the regular season ends. (There’s also a slight chance of an 8-way tie for first, but that seems less likely).

Tennessee and Texas A&M are currently tied for first in the SEC at 5-1 in conference play, while Texas is a half-game back at 4-1. (Some teams still have non-conference games to play, which obviously don’t affect the SEC standings.)

Then you have Georgia at 5-2, Ole Miss and Alabama at 4-2 and then Missouri and LSU at 3-2.

Tiebreakers, tiebreakers, tiebreakers​

The SEC’s official tiebreakers go like this:

1. Head-to-head among the tied teams
2. Record vs. common opponents among the tied teams
3. Record against the highest-place opponent among the tied teams
4. Combined winning percentage of all conference opponents for each team

In a 16-team league with only eight conference games on each teams’ schedule, it’s more than likely the first two tiebreakers won’t come into play. In other words, there won’t be enough head-to-head competition or common opponents.

Tiebreaker 3 could be good news for Georgia if the Bulldogs win and Texas does as well. Georgia’s 30-15 win in Austin on Oct. 19 could loom large, but only if Georgia and all the teams it is tied with also played Texas (which is not the case with Alabama, Tennessee and LSU).

As for Tiebreaker 4, here are the key things to know.

Texas should be heavily favored in its next two games against Arkansas and Kentucky. Texas A&M should beat Auburn this week.

If those three things happen, then Texas at Texas A&M on Nov. 30 will be for the regular-season SEC championship. The loser of that game would then drop into the tiebreaker morass for the second spot.

Another obvious linchpin game is Tennessee at Georgia this week. Should Tennessee win (and then beat Vanderbilt on Nov. 30), the Volunteers would get the second SEC championship game spot.

However, if Georgia wins, then things get complicated. The Bulldogs would be 6-2 in the SEC and very much in the mix for the SEC championship game (and Tennessee would still be in the running as well).

Ole Miss and Alabama should also be favored in their last two SEC games. The Rebels are at Florida, then host Mississippi State.

The Crimson Tide is at Oklahoma and hosts Auburn. So it seems likely, if not probable, both Ole Miss and Alabama are 6-2 at the end of the regular season.

LSU has a very good chance to finish 6-2 as well, with games at Florida and at home vs. Vanderbilt and Oklahoma. Missouri is less certain, but could very well win at South Carolina, at Mississippi State and at home vs. Arkansas to also land at 6-2.

If there is a 4-, 5- or 6- (or even 7-) way tie for second in the SEC, that fourth tiebreaker more than likely comes into play. That’s good news for Alabama, which played a relatively difficult SEC schedule.

The Crimson Tide has played Georgia (SEC contender based on record), Vanderbilt (middle-of-the-pack), South Carolina (middle-of-the-pack), Tennessee (SEC contender), Missouri (SEC contender) and LSU (SEC contender). Alabama has games left with bottom-feeders Oklahoma and Auburn, but its banked wins (and losses) give it a pretty healthy strength of schedule.

The other SEC contenders have three or more simply bad teams in their schedule. Georgia has played Auburn, Mississippi State and Florida, for example. Tennessee has played Oklahoma, Kentucky, Mississippi State and Florida.

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[Nutriaitch]

Interesting article on where the SEC teams stand on the CCG and CFPs:

What are the SEC’s championship game tiebreakers? Who’s got the best shot at the playoff?

With three weeks left in the regular season, there’s a very real possibility of a 7-way tie for second place in the SEC

www.al.com

What are the SEC’s championship game tiebreakers? Who’s got the best shot at the playoff?​

There’s a very real possibility there could be a 7-way tie for second place in the SEC when the regular season ends. (There’s also a slight chance of an 8-way tie for first, but that seems less likely).

Tennessee and Texas A&M are currently tied for first in the SEC at 5-1 in conference play, while Texas is a half-game back at 4-1. (Some teams still have non-conference games to play, which obviously don’t affect the SEC standings.)

Then you have Georgia at 5-2, Ole Miss and Alabama at 4-2 and then Missouri and LSU at 3-2.

Tiebreakers, tiebreakers, tiebreakers​

The SEC’s official tiebreakers go like this:

1. Head-to-head among the tied teams
2. Record vs. common opponents among the tied teams
3. Record against the highest-place opponent among the tied teams
4. Combined winning percentage of all conference opponents for each team

In a 16-team league with only eight conference games on each teams’ schedule, it’s more than likely the first two tiebreakers won’t come into play. In other words, there won’t be enough head-to-head competition or common opponents.

Tiebreaker 3 could be good news for Georgia if the Bulldogs win and Texas does as well. Georgia’s 30-15 win in Austin on Oct. 19 could loom large, but only if Georgia and all the teams it is tied with also played Texas (which is not the case with Alabama, Tennessee and LSU).

As for Tiebreaker 4, here are the key things to know.

Texas should be heavily favored in its next two games against Arkansas and Kentucky. Texas A&M should beat Auburn this week.

If those three things happen, then Texas at Texas A&M on Nov. 30 will be for the regular-season SEC championship. The loser of that game would then drop into the tiebreaker morass for the second spot.

Another obvious linchpin game is Tennessee at Georgia this week. Should Tennessee win (and then beat Vanderbilt on Nov. 30), the Volunteers would get the second SEC championship game spot.

However, if Georgia wins, then things get complicated. The Bulldogs would be 6-2 in the SEC and very much in the mix for the SEC championship game (and Tennessee would still be in the running as well).

Ole Miss and Alabama should also be favored in their last two SEC games. The Rebels are at Florida, then host Mississippi State.

The Crimson Tide is at Oklahoma and hosts Auburn. So it seems likely, if not probable, both Ole Miss and Alabama are 6-2 at the end of the regular season.

LSU has a very good chance to finish 6-2 as well, with games at Florida and at home vs. Vanderbilt and Oklahoma. Missouri is less certain, but could very well win at South Carolina, at Mississippi State and at home vs. Arkansas to also land at 6-2.

If there is a 4-, 5- or 6- (or even 7-) way tie for second in the SEC, that fourth tiebreaker more than likely comes into play. That’s good news for Alabama, which played a relatively difficult SEC schedule.

The Crimson Tide has played Georgia (SEC contender based on record), Vanderbilt (middle-of-the-pack), South Carolina (middle-of-the-pack), Tennessee (SEC contender), Missouri (SEC contender) and LSU (SEC contender). Alabama has games left with bottom-feeders Oklahoma and Auburn, but its banked wins (and losses) give it a pretty healthy strength of schedule.

The other SEC contenders have three or more simply bad teams in their schedule. Georgia has played Auburn, Mississippi State and Florida, for example. Tennessee has played Oklahoma, Kentucky, Mississippi State and Florida.

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I already have the tie breakers broken down.

if this happens (only "upset" being Arkansas over Missouri):

that leaves you with a 6-way tie for the 2nd spot in the SEC CG.
LSU wins the tie breaker in that scenario and goes to Atlanta.

if Missouri wins that game vs Arkansas and all other games stay the same, Alabama goes to Atlanta.

 

[Gizmo]

A lot of this (not all) could be avoided if they played one more conference game. Would cut more of the tied teams out, at least.

 

[Nutriaitch]

A lot of this (not all) could be avoided if they played one more conference game. Would cut more of the tied teams out, at least.

that would depend on who gets added to each team's schedule.
could easily end up with the same clusterfuck.

the Big Ten currently is sitting with a big clusterfuck as well.
just y'alls is further down in the standings, so nobody is talking about it.

 

[Gizmo]

that would depend on who gets added to each team's schedule.
could easily end up with the same clusterfuck.

the Big Ten currently is sitting with a big clusterfuck as well.
just y'alls is further down in the standings, so nobody is talking about it.

No, there are only 4 teams fighting for the 2 spots in the B1G, as Oregon and Indiana can't have more than 2 losses in the conference, and Iowa, at 5th, has 3 currently. So at worst, it'll be a 4 team tie break to figure it all out (2 spots), not a 6 way tie for 2nd. Add a 9th conference game to the SEC, and 2 or 3 of those 6 teams would also garner a 3rd loss in conference, cutting down the teams involved in any tiebreaking and more data (head to head/conference games) for said tie-breaking.

 

[Thump]

Alabama will be #1 tomorrow correct?

 

[buckeyeintn]

Alabama will be #1 tomorrow correct?

Well, they do have that great loss to (checks notes) Vandy the Pimp. None of the other contenders can make that claim.

 

[Nutriaitch]

No, there are only 4 teams fighting for the 2 spots in the B1G, as Oregon and Indiana can't have more than 2 losses in the conference, and Iowa, at 5th, has 3 currently. So at worst, it'll be a 4 team tie break to figure it all out (2 spots), not a 6 way tie for 2nd.

did you miss the part of my post that said y'all clusterfuck is further down the standings?

the Big Ten currently has 7 teams tied with 4 losses each.
and assuming no upsets, will have 6 teams that finish with 5 losses each.

nobody gives a shit because y'all cluster is down the standings instead of at the top.
but that 6 way tie can happen at the top just like it most likely will in the middle this year.

Add a 9th conference game to the SEC, and 2 or 3 of those 6 teams would also garner a 3rd loss in conference, cutting down the teams involved in any tiebreaking and more data (head to head/conference games) for said tie-breaking.

maybe, maybe not.
that 9th game could easily all be against teams that are at the bottom of the conference.

LSU - Mississippi State (historically most played rivalry for either school, so a likely add)
Alabama - Florida
Georgia - Oklahoma
Ole Miss - Vanderbilt (first year since the 60s they don't play each other, so again a likely add)
Tennessee - Auburn (were annual rivals prior to splitting into divisions, another very likely add)
Texas A&M - Kentucky

all 6 teams would be favored and likely win.
so still a 6 way tie.

 

[Gizmo]

did you miss the part of my post that said y'all clusterfuck is further down the standings?

the Big Ten currently has 7 teams tied with 4 losses each.
and assuming no upsets, will have 6 teams that finish with 5 losses each.

nobody gives a shit because y'all cluster is down the standings instead of at the top.
but that 6 way tie can happen at the top just like it most likely will in the middle this year.



maybe, maybe not.
that 9th game could easily all be against teams that are at the bottom of the conference.

LSU - Mississippi State (historically most played rivalry for either school, so a likely add)
Alabama - Florida
Georgia - Oklahoma
Ole Miss - Vanderbilt (first year since the 60s they don't play each other, so again a likely add)
Tennessee - Auburn (were annual rivals prior to splitting into divisions, another very likely add)
Texas A&M - Kentucky

all 6 teams would be favored and likely win.
so still a 6 way tie.

You're right, nobody gives a shit about clusterfucks in the middle of the conference, so not sure why you're bringing it up. I was only offering up a solution to get rid of the clusterfuck that exists at the top of the SEC, and seems to happen every season because of the schedule that gives them a "bye" every season instead of another conference game.

 

[Nutriaitch]

You're right, nobody gives a shit about clusterfucks in the middle of the conference, so not sure why you're bringing it up.

because with these super conferences, these clusterfucks are going to be more and more common.
don't be shocked when it happens in the B1G too.

I was only offering up a solution to get rid of the clusterfuck that exists at the top of the SEC, and seems to happen every season

this is the first time it's ever happened (if it even happens), so not sure what you mean by "seems to happen every year"
with the old division format, where everyone in the division played each other, it wasn't even mathematically possible to have anything close to this happen.

at most you could end up with 3 teams tied that all went 1-1 against each other.
and I honestly don't ever remember that actually happening.
typically you would have 2 teams with same record and the team that won the head-to-head would go to the SEC CG.

because of the schedule that gives them a "bye" every season instead of another conference game.

I've bitched and complained about scheduling just as much as y'all, so sorta preaching to the choir here.

but I would like to point out LSU plays more power 5 teams this year than tOSU.

 

[Tomateaux Quinoa Gumbeaux]

because with these super conferences, these clusterfucks are going to be more and more common.
don't be shocked when it happens in the B1G too.

Middle of the conference is going to start mattering too if they keep expanding the playoffs which is very plausible.

 

[Tomateaux Quinoa Gumbeaux]

 

[LovelandBuckeye]