Seantrel Henderson (Buffalo Bills)

[southcampus]

Matter of fact, I'm a Tarheels fan for Bball

Ya don't say

 

[LightningRod]

Its a violation for alumni to speak with recruits? R u sure? I've seen MANy times that players being recruiting by the U, are often seen chilling with their alumni from Ed Reed, to Clinton Portis, to Ray Lewis. Hell a number of players say thats why they sign with certain teams, to extend the legacy of great players. Wasn't Joe McKnight sitting with Reggie Bush when he was recruited? I think that's a common practice. Matter of fact, I'm a Tarheels fan for Bball, and know that one of the factors that got Harrison Barnes(No. 1 player in 2010 class) to sign with the 'Heels is that he got to sit down and have a meeting with Michael Jordan. And their famed alumni game had NUMEROUS players talking to recruits. I may be wrong, but I didn't think that was a violation. And I'd have Orlando Pace chilling with SH

Selected provisions contained in NCAA Bylaw 13.

13.01.4 Recruiting by Representatives of Athletics Interests.


Representatives of an institution's athletics interests (as defined in Bylaw 13.02.13) are prohibited from making in-person, on- or off-campus recruiting contacts, or written or telephonic communications with a prospective student-athlete or the prospective student-athlete's relatives or legal guardians. Specific examples of exceptions to the application of this regulation are set forth in Bylaw 13.1.2.2 (see Bylaw 13.1.3.5.1.1).

A representative of the school's athletics interests referenced above include the following:

13.02.13 Representative of Athletics Interests.


A "representative of the institution's athletics interests" is an individual, independent agency, corporate entity (e.g., apparel or equipment manufacturer) or other organization who is known (or who should have been known) by a member of the institution's executive or athletics administration to: (Revised: 2/16/00)
(a) Have participated in or to be a member of an agency or organization promoting the institution's intercollegiate athletics program;
(b) Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics booster organization of that institution;
(c) Be assisting or to have been requested (by the athletics department staff) to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes;
(d) Be assisting or to have assisted in providing benefits to enrolled student-athletes or their families; or
(e) Have been involved otherwise in promoting the institution's athletics program.

Exceptions to the no contact rule:

13.1.2.2 General Exceptions.


This regulation is not applicable to:
(a) Admissions Program. Off-campus recruiting contacts made by an institution's regular admissions program representative and directed at all prospective students including nonathletes.
(b) Coach Who Is Prospective Student-Athlete's Parent or Legal Guardian. Recruiting contact and evaluation limitations do not apply to a coaching staff member who is the parent (or legal guardian) of a participant in any activity being observed (e.g., practices, contests or camps), provided the attendance by the coaching staff member at such activity does not involve any personal contact with any other participating prospective student-athlete. (Revised: 1/10/95, 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97)
(c) Spouse of Prospective Student-Athlete's Coach. Recruiting contact and evaluation limitations do not apply to a coaching staff member observing a contest that involves prospective student-athletes coached by his or her spouse, provided the attendance by the coaching staff member at such a contest does not involve any personal contact with any prospective student-athlete participating in the contest. (Adopted: 1/11/94)
(d) Established Family Friend/Neighbor. Contacts made with a prospective student-athlete by an established family friend or neighbor, it being understood that such contacts are not made for recruiting purposes and are not initiated by a member of an institution's coaching staff.
(e) Spouse of Staff Member

(1) On Campus. A spouse of an institutional staff member on campus.
(2) Off Campus during Official Visit. A spouse of an athletics department staff member during a prospective student-athlete's official visit and within a 30-mile radius of the institution's main campus during the prospective student-athlete's official visit.
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(f) Interpreter. An interpreter present during an institution's in-person, off-campus contact with a prospective student-athlete or the prospective student-athlete's parents (or legal guardians), provided that if the institution is involved in making the arrangements for the use of the interpreter, the interpreter must be a faculty member or a professional interpreter. It is not permissible for the interpreter to be an enrolled student-athlete, a family member of an enrolled student-athlete or a representative of the institution's athletics interests. (Adopted: 1/11/97)
(g) Unavoidable Incidental Contact. An unavoidable incidental contact made with a prospective student-athlete by representatives of the institution's athletics interests, provided the contact is not prearranged by the representative or an athletics department staff member, does not take place on the grounds of the prospective student-athlete's educational institution or at the sites of organized competition and practice involving the prospective student-athlete or the prospective student-athlete's team (high school, preparatory school, two-year college or all-star team), is not made for the purpose of recruitment of the prospective student-athlete, and involves only normal civility.
(h) Permissible Pre-enrollment Activities. Contacts between a prospective student-athlete and an athletics representative regarding permissible pre-enrollment activities (e.g., a discussion of summer-employment arrangements that occurs after the prospective student-athlete's signing of the National Letter of Intent).

Most of the discussions between the former athletes and recruits are treated as falling under the unavoidable incidental contact exception contained in (g) above although most if not all are prearranged meetings that are prohibited from occurring.

 

[Gatorubet]

Darn! With the cold front, it will only be 63 degrees when he visits Urban this weekend.

 

[pnuts34]

Selected provisions contained in NCAA Bylaw 13.

A representative of the school's athletics interests referenced above include the following:

Exceptions to the no contact rule:

Most of the discussions between the former athletes and recruits are treated as falling under the unavoidable incidental contact exception contained in (g) above although most if not all are prearranged meetings that are prohibited from occurring.

Thanks for that clarification, I knew someone would be able to find that NCAA ruling

 

[TheIronColonel]

Darn! With the cold front, it will only be 63 degrees when he visits Urban this weekend.

Cool. Maybe he'll get to hang out with these guys, because they seem pretty cool.

 

[buckeyesin07]

Darn! With the cold front, it will only be 63 degrees when he visits Urban this weekend.

Too bad for Florida--he's stated that he prefers cold weather and snow. Next.

 

[ysubuck]

Kid is from Minny.

Winter in Columbus will feel like spring to him.

 

[Smith]

OrlandoSentinel.com

Gators to host 2 VIP guests in OT Seantrel Henderson and DE Jackson Jeffcoat
By Chris Hays
4:10 a.m. EST, December 18, 2009

The Florida football staff will be entertaining two very high profile guests within the next 30 days.

This weekend, Rivals.com's No. 1-ranked player overall player Seantrel Henderson, a 6-foot-8, 301-pound offensive tackle from Cretin-Durham High in St. Paul, Minn., will take in the Gainesville sights.

...
As for Henderson, he's already visited Notre Dame, Ohio State and USC. Minnesota is also among his top choices, but he will not make an "official" visit to his hometown school.

Florida will be his fourth visit, and his fifth trip is yet to be determined. He's thinking Miami, Oklahoma or Iowa.

cont...

 

[methomps]

Its a violation for alumni to speak with recruits? R u sure? I've seen MANy times that players being recruiting by the U, are often seen chilling with their alumni from Ed Reed, to Clinton Portis, to Ray Lewis. Hell a number of players say thats why they sign with certain teams, to extend the legacy of great players. Wasn't Joe McKnight sitting with Reggie Bush when he was recruited? I think that's a common practice. Matter of fact, I'm a Tarheels fan for Bball, and know that one of the factors that got Harrison Barnes(No. 1 player in 2010 class) to sign with the 'Heels is that he got to sit down and have a meeting with Michael Jordan. And their famed alumni game had NUMEROUS players talking to recruits. I may be wrong, but I didn't think that was a violation. And I'd have Orlando Pace chilling with SH

It is a violation of the rules the LightningRod posted. It doesn't fall under the incidental contact rule because that exception only allows the booster to greet the recruit and then excuse himself. It doesn't allow the booster to talk to the recruit about why the school is a good place to go (that is recruiting).

As you detailed above, it happens all the time. For this reason, and also because it was likely not orchestrated by the school, it isn't a big deal.

Not if he is at a game watching his son play and they run into eachother.

But they don't just happen to be at the same game together. The recruit is on his official visit and Cris Carter can only get on the field if the school arranges for him to have a field pass.

 

[jwinslow]

But they don't just happen to be at the same game together. The recruit is on his official visit and Cris Carter can only get on the field if the school arranges for him to have a field pass.

If that was the only game he attended, that would be true. However, that is not the case.

 

[methomps]

If that was the only game he attended, that would be true. However, that is not the case.

Even if the contact was incidental and unavoidable, it still doesn't fall under the "unavoidable incidental contact" exception unless it was not made for the purposes of recruiting and involved only normal civility. I don't see how you can make that when you have a booster telling a recruit that going to the school is great because you can win national championships and be prepared for the pros.

Consider also the definition of a contact:

13.02.3 Contact. A contact is any face-to-face encounter between a prospective student-athlete or the prospective student-athlete?s parents, relatives or legal guardians and an institutional staff member or athletics representative during which any dialogue occurs in excess of an exchange of a greeting. Any such face-to-face encounter that is prearranged (e.g., staff member positions himself or herself in a location where contact is possible) or that takes place on the grounds of the prospective student-athlete?s educational institution or at the site of organized competition or practice involving the prospective student-athlete or the prospective student-athlete?s high school, preparatory school, two-year college or all-star team shall be considered a contact, regardless of whether any conversation occurs. However, an institutional staff member or athletics representative who is approached by a prospective student-athlete or the prospective student-athlete?s parents, relatives or legal guardians at any location shall not use a contact, provided the encounter was not prearranged and the staff member or athletics representative does not engage in any dialogue in excess of a greeting and takes appropriate steps to immediately terminate the encounter. (Revised: 1/11/94 effective 8/1/94)

 

[Poe McKnoe]

Even if the contact was incidental and unavoidable, it still doesn't fall under the "unavoidable incidental contact" exception unless it was not made for the purposes of recruiting and involved only normal civility. I don't see how you can make that when you have a booster telling a recruit that going to the school is great because you can win national championships and be prepared for the pros.

Consider also the definition of a contact:

13.02.3 Contact. A contact is any face-to-face encounter between a prospective student-athlete or the prospective student-athlete?s parents, relatives or legal guardians and an institutional staff member or athletics representative during which any dialogue occurs in excess of an exchange of a greeting. Any such face-to-face encounter that is prearranged (e.g., staff member positions himself or herself in a location where contact is possible) or that takes place on the grounds of the prospective student-athlete?s educational institution or at the site of organized competition or practice involving the prospective student-athlete or the prospective student-athlete?s high school, preparatory school, two-year college or all-star team shall be considered a contact, regardless of whether any conversation occurs. However, an institutional staff member or athletics representative who is approached by a prospective student-athlete or the prospective student-athlete?s parents, relatives or legal guardians at any location shall not use a contact, provided the encounter was not prearranged and the staff member or athletics representative does not engage in any dialogue in excess of a greeting and takes appropriate steps to immediately terminate the encounter. (Revised: 1/11/94 effective 8/1/94)

Listen to the USC fan, they are experts on what is and what isn't an NCAA violation.

That's assuming that Cris Carter is a 'booster', 'NFL player', 'ex-NFL player', 'somehow associated with Ohio State', rather than the father of a possible team member.

 

[jwinslow]

but not one of any significance.

This is the main point, however.

 

[methomps]

Listen to the USC fan, they are experts on what is and what isn't an NCAA violation.

That's assuming that Cris Carter is a 'booster', 'NFL player', 'ex-NFL player', 'somehow associated with Ohio State', rather than the father of a possible team member.

From the OSU guide for boosters:

Parents of enrolled student-athletes are considered boosters; therefore, they may not be involved in the recruiting process, on or off-campus. If parents of a prospect should contact you with questions about your son or daughter?s athletic experience at Ohio State, you should direct their questions to the coaching staff. If you are an Ohio State alum, you may discuss your general educational experiences at Ohio State; however, you may not discuss athletics.

This is the main point, however.

yes.

 

[Buckskin86]

Posted: Friday December 18, 2009
Kristian Dyer>INSIDE RECRUITING

Consensus No. 1 recruit Henderson getting used to grueling process

Seantrel Henderson is the most polished lineman of the past decade.
Al Tielemans/SI

In a year when Michael Lewis' book The Blind Side became a box office hit, the position that current NFL star Michael Oher helped to make more famous is now becoming somewhat of an obsession at the prep football level. The nation's consensus top player, Seantrel Henderson, is very much in the mold of Oher, who now protects Joe Flacco's back. There hasn't been a more coveted or hyped lineman in the past decade than Henderson, who hails from Saint Paul, Minn.

This past week, Henderson participated in the U.S. Army Player of the Year media tour as one of seven finalists hoping to win the prestigious award. Henderson is the only player in the trenches up for an award that has never been won by an offensive lineman. Simply put, Seantrel Henderson is probably the most polished lineman of the past decade.

Although these are hectic times for the 6-foot-8, 300-plus-pound left tackle, he is as composed as ever these days.

"Things are going good," Henderson said. "Had visits recently to USC and Notre Dame. I am heading down to Florida this week."

But it hasn't been a smooth ride all along. The pressure of being the top player in the nation and the poster boy for the prototypical offensive lineman has been extremely grueling at times. Henderson said that he has really matured over the past year, having to learn time management and how to juggle competing interests that come with being the nation's top player. It hasn't been easy, and admits to contemplating quitting the sport within the last year.

"I thought about it for a bit," Henderson said of having to deal with the pressure. "But then I realized I'd miss football too much. I love it. I wouldn't want to be without it."

He lists the usual priorities in choosing a school, from academics to prestige to the overall vibe of the coaching staff. Right now, Henderson says that his top four include Florida, Notre Dame, Ohio State and USC. He may take one more official visit in January after playing in the U.S. Army All-American Bowl, but he is uncertain which campus would get that fifth and final visit. In addition, Henderson was attempting to schedule an official visit at Minnesota last weekend, but his participation in the player of the year tour prevented it from happening.

Henderson did say that the recent firing of Notre Dame head coach Charlie Weiss will not impact his opinion of the Fighting Irish. While newly minted head coach Brian Kelly has not yet reached out to Henderson, the nation's top player says Notre Dame is still "in the mix." Henderson did seem surprised that he hasn't heard from Kelly, but indicated that he wasn't willing to write South Bend off quite yet.

Read more: No. 1 recruit Seantrel Henderson getting used to grueling process - Kristian Dyer - SI.com