Scatback BS

[Buckeneye]

and at 5'11" that would make him scatback-sized.

LT is 5'10 - 220lbs
Chris Johnson is 5'11 - 200lbs
Brian Westbrook 5'11 - 203lbs
Willie Parker is 5'11 - 209lbs
Pittman is 5'11 - 207lbs


Do you consider any of the former "scat" backs?

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See "scatback", Darren Sproles

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9KxK9k6sI8"]YouTube - 2008: Best of Darren Sproles[/ame]

 

[Sportsbuck28]

A scatback is not any back thats 5'10 and under and 190 and under, its based on how they play.

 

[cincibuck]

A scatback is not any back thats 5'10 and under and 190 and under, its based on how they play.

Size does seem to be a part of the definition, but the only succesful "scat backs" I've seen at OSU in the last few years would seem to me to be Archie, Carlos Snow, Peppy Pearson and Michael Wiley (you could possibly add MoC to the list) All three had an ability to run between the tackels, go wide, and be the outlet receiver. All three possessed great balance to go along with speed and stength. AND only one, MoC played for Tressel and Bollman and he played as a freshman on what was still mostly a Cooper recruited team.

So how is it that Mike Hart and Jevon Ringer can make it as scat backs on teams with less talent and it takes a Beanie or a Pittman to get any kind of yardage? Is it the blocking style? Is it a different offense? I could understand if there had been some adequate back ups, but for three years in a row the Buckeyes couldn't run dick until Pittman stepped up and it wasn't until the middle of the season that Boom could be counted on to back up Beanie. It just doesn't make sense to me on a team with as much talent up front.

 

[Sportsbuck28]

Size does seem to be a part of the definition, but the only succesful "scat backs" I've seen at OSU in the last few years would seem to me to be Archie, Carlos Snow, Peppy Pearson and Michael Wiley (you could possibly add MoC to the list) All three had an ability to run between the tackels, go wide, and be the outlet receiver. All three possessed great balance to go along with speed and stength. AND only one, MoC played for Tressel and Bollman and he played as a freshman on what was still mostly a Cooper recruited team.

So how is it that Mike Hart and Jevon Ringer can make it as scat backs on teams with less talent and it takes a Beanie or a Pittman to get any kind of yardage. Is it the blocking style? Is it a different offense? I could understand if there had been some adequate back ups, but for three years in a row the Buckeyes couldn't run dick until Pittman stepped up and it wasn't until the middle of the season that Boom could be counted on to back up Beanie. It just doesn't make sense to me on a team with as much talent up front.

You lost me when you called Mike Hart and Javon Ringer scatbacks.

 

[cincibuck]

You lost me when you called Mike Hart and Javon Ringer scatbacks.

What else would you call them? They're small, fast, cut on a dime, catch the outlet or screen, have quickness to get through the line, have enough speed to make the long run and they both put up huge numbers.

 

[pnuts34]

What else would you call them? They're small, fast, cut on a dime, catch the outlet or screen, have quickness to get through the line, have enough speed to make the long run and they both put up huge numbers.

Mike Hart and Javon Ringer are just smaller RBs, they can run through and off tackles. They don't catch the ball out of the backfield, and can't be used in the offense other than at RB. A scatback can be a KR/PR, line up in the slot as well. Guys like when Steve Slaton was at WVU, Jeff Demps and Chris Rainey at UF now, Noel Devine at WVU, I'd even classify Joe McKnight as scatback as well because of his versatility. The versatility and ability to play more than one position is what scatbacks are, not just size.

 

[pnuts34]

Trindon Holliday from LSU is also a great example of a scatback as well

 

[cincibuck]

Mike Hart and Javon Ringer are just smaller RBs, they can run through and off tackles. They don't catch the ball out of the backfield, and can't be used in the offense other than at RB. A scatback can be a KR/PR, line up in the slot as well. Guys like when Steve Slaton

Having recently re-watched the 07 & 08 MSU and U of M games I can tell you that Hart and Ringer both caught creen passes and outlet passes in their games against us. I believe that Slaton caught such passes also.

 

[pnuts34]

Having recently re-watched the 07 & 08 MSU and U of M games I can tell you that Hart and Ringer both caught creen passes and outlet passes in their games against us. I believe that Slaton caught such passes also.

I think that's great! But Mike Hart and Javon Ringer rushed the ball 30+ a game as well. Catching the ball less than 3 times in a game doesn't make them scatbacks all of the sudden. matter of fact all of the RBs before RichRod got to scUM have been guys that run the ball a ton! That's why when they get to the NFL they're already beat up, every NFL analyst says that about scUM RBs. From Wheatley, Biakabutuka(however u spell his name), Chris Perry, to name a few all were run into the ground in Ann Arbor. And I said that Slaton was a definition of a scatback

 

[cincibuck]

Biakabutuka(however u spell his name),

Biatchmafukah

Now then. What the hell are we arguing about here?

Is there some rule that says you can't be a scatback if you carry the ball 30 times a game? I thought it had to do with the size and playing style of the player in question, a smaller player who relied more on quickness and agility rather than brute strength. More a shifty back who made you miss than a Beanie who just put you on your ass or out in the cheap seats.

 

[Merih]

My definition (up for rhetorical revision):

Scatback: A runningback who primarily uses speed and agility to find space, usually on the perimeter. They are more valued for their speed and agility rather than they're power and tackle breaking capabilities.

Examples: Darren Sproles, Steve Slaton, Garrett Wolfe.

Revisions anyone?

 

[cincibuck]

My definition (up for rhetorical revision):

Scatback: A runningback who primarily uses speed and agility to find space, usually on the perimeter. They are more valued for their speed and agility rather than they're power and tackle breaking capabilities.

Examples: Darren Sproles, Steve Slaton, Garrett Wolfe.

Revisions anyone?

So is there a limit on how many touches he can have in a game? What if he can also run between the tackles?

Examples: Jevon Ringer, Mike Hart, Michael Wiley, Archie,

 

[Merih]

No I wouldn't say a limit but there is definitely a tendency that they are not the feature back. Again, we do see Sproles on handoffs up the middle now and then...I would say that a scatback is a back whose primary talents are best utilized in outside handoffs, sweeps, screens, dumpoff passes, and draws. That's not to say that that's the only thing that they can do, but that they are better suited with those specific plays.

In my definition Javon Ringer is not a scat back, he is a balanced back with an emphasis on power and wearing down the competition over the course of the game. Is that to say he'll never catch a screen? No...but by and far his potential is more realized in zone read handoffs and running lanes using vision to cut back and power to break arm tackles and get into the secondary. Ala Antonio Pittman.

 

[Sportsbuck28]

So is there a limit on how many touches he can have in a game? What if he can also run between the tackles?

Examples: Jevon Ringer, Mike Hart, Michael Wiley, Archie,

Hart and Ringer didn't play like scatbacks though.

They pounded the ball and found holes up the middle, a scatback is a slasher who does his damage primarily on the perimeter and in the passing game.

What do I call Hart and Ringer? I call them all-purpose backs.

 

[pnuts34]

No I wouldn't say a limit but there is definitely a tendency that they are not the feature back. Again, we do see Sproles on handoffs up the middle now and then...I would say that a scatback is a back whose primary talents are best utilized in outside handoffs, sweeps, screens, dumpoff passes, and draws. That's not to say that that's the only thing that they can do, but that they are better suited with those specific plays.

In my definition Javon Ringer is not a scat back, he is a balanced back with an emphasis on power and wearing down the competition over the course of the game. Is that to say he'll never catch a screen? No...but by and far his potential is more realized in zone read handoffs and running lanes using vision to cut back and power to break arm tackles and get into the secondary. Ala Antonio Pittman.

yeah I agree with that definition. And not trying to argue Cincibuck, just trying to state the diference int he type of back. I couldnt argue with another Buckeye fan in Cincinnati, lol! And I had thought that all purpose backs and scatbacks were the same thing?