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S/C Coach Mickey Marotti (Official Thread)

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sparcboxbuck said:
That’s an interesting consideration. The DNA we’re talking about here is kinda of like a F1 car. The tolerances are not like the car in your driveway. At the end of the day, if you want your car / body to be at the limits of science, you’ve got to expect that there will be little room for anything to go wrong. Sadly, an F1 engine rebuild is easier than recovering from a hammy pull.
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this analogy makes the most sense to me, field turf and building more toughness / iron vs iron talk notwithstanding.
the reason this sticks out more than the others for me is because the kind of talent that we've been getting in the last 5'ish years is overall at a considerably higher level than at any other time in recent program history. so, yeah... a lot more F1 cars in the stable, especially at key playmaker positions, than under urban or tress, let's say.
 
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NJ-Buckeye said:
From everything I have read there is not a more highly sophisticated and technical approach to S&C than Marotti's... hell, the military uses him to assess some approaches, apps and devices
any assumption that anyone can beat mother nature at her game is interesting

I went to HS with a kid who ran cross country...
became 2-time All American in college
qualified 5 times for the Olympics
Rated top-10 in the world
Didn't make it to 58

Bosa's... was extremely disappointed Nick tore a groin muscle in a yr that coulda been... and now Joey tears his... genetics/DNA...
How many folks blamed the turf last year on our injuries..

https://247sports.com/college/penn-...FL-Combine-Dwight-Galt-Chris-Doyle-144582852/
Ped State, Iowa, ND are 1,2, 3 with Mick #4 in the eyes of NFL Combine...
Our expectations and feelings for Coach Mick are god-like... but only one supreme being controls DNA
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honest question... does the military have the same goals (in terms of fitness and battle-readiness) as a college football program?
 
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shetuck said:
honest question... does the military have the same goals (in terms of fitness and battle-readiness) as a college football program?
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IN some cases, probably.

The military isn't going to be as encouraging on weight gain in most cases like a football team might be for certain positions, but when you're talking core strength, flexibility and stamina, absolutely there are similarities.
 
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Mike80 said:
IN some cases, probably.

The military isn't going to be as encouraging on weight gain in most cases like a football team might be for certain positions, but when you're talking core strength, flexibility and stamina, absolutely there are similarities.
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yeah, having known several people in the military over the years, the goals seem to be: make them tougher/stronger and weed out those that aren't 100% committed. elite sports also does that but is more targeted to the individual and the desired goals. part of that is the ratios, there is a whole team of coaches, nutritionists, strength coaches, etc. for 100 or so players. military doesn't have the capacity to do that.
 
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TampaBuckeyes said:
yeah, having known several people in the military over the years, the goals seem to be: make them tougher/stronger and weed out those that aren't 100% committed. elite sports also does that but is more targeted to the individual and the desired goals. part of that is the ratios, there is a whole team of coaches, nutritionists, strength coaches, etc. for 100 or so players. military doesn't have the capacity to do that.
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Coming from 15 years active duty and 5 years of guard before that, the army at least doesn’t do that great of a job of training fitness. The majority of the focus tends to be on passing semi annual fitness and height/weight tests. As long as Soldiers can execute there job (which for the vast majority isn’t overly strenuous) there isn’t very much focus on fitness past that benchmark. (A notable exception being my time in Airborne units where overall the division set far higher standards and expectations for all personnel)
 
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i have had some, admittedly very limited (meaning like 3 or 4 times) experience with physical therapists who were from both military as well as sports medicine backgrounds.

for the same types of injuries - for example with a recent IT band issue - the approach from the trainer who comes from the military background is to do something which i would consider very extreme just so i can get back into action immediately. whereas with the sports medicine doctor the approach is much less aggressive and gradual with a goal of easing me back in over the course of several months.

mind you... i'm neither a professional athlete or a soldier. so take what i'm sharing with that in mind. perhaps just anecdotal evidence, or perhaps a crazy therapist or an incompetent doctor. who knows...

i suppose both ultimately got the same result, but it always makes me wonder whether military guys are much more focused on getting the person back onto the field asap and therefore employing much more aggressive techniques... and whether those techniques have some long-term impact in terms of mobility and overall health.
 
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shetuck said:
i suppose both ultimately got the same result, but it always makes me wonder whether military guys are much more focused on getting the person back onto the field asap and therefore employing much more aggressive techniques... and whether those techniques have some long-term impact in terms of mobility and overall health.
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Take a look around your local VA hospital to see the results…

Army medicine is awful. The only place I can honestly say I got good care was Ft Bragg. Being the home of the Airborne, they have a lot of experts in treating jump injuries (back, knees, ankles, fractured bones etc…)
 
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BUCKINGFRONCO said:
Take a look around your local VA hospital to see the results…

Army medicine is awful. The only place I can honestly say I got good care was Ft Bragg. Being the home of the Airborne, they have a lot of experts in treating jump injuries (back, knees, ankles, fractured bones etc…)
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yeah... so there's this (what you're saying about military medicine, and i've seen it) on the one hand. on the other hand there's the stuff about how coach mick is used by the military, as in that being the basis from which we conclude that he's good at what he does.

both seem valid. but both aren't saying the same thing about why is it that coach mick is "one of the best in the business". mind you, i'm not saying that he's not. i'm just asking what this statement about him means.

and the injuries continue to pile up not three games into the conference schedule. and... yes... that's part of the game. the question (my original question) was whether the higher rate of injuries (i haven't compiled the stats) to key players has something to do with the S&C program.
 
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knuckifyoubuck said:
Field turf. NFL stars started a petition to ban artificial turf in football after Odell Beckham's Super Bowl injury (yahoo.com)
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The new field turf installed at Ohio Stadium and the WHAC is "slit film" manufactured by Shaw Sports and Motz.

Soruce: "Once the decision was made to go with Shaw Sports Turf and The Motz Group, the team worked together to determine the best overall turf system for OSU’s needs. As a result, 85,555 square feet of Shaw’s Momentum Pro product was installed. Momentum Pro utilizes slit film technology, its interlaced structure holds down infill and reduces fly-out while maintaining a sturdy, steady, and reliable playing surface for athletes to consistently play in peak conditions." from their own website @ https://themotzgroup.com/2022/09/08...stadium-with-new-high-performance-turf-field/

The slit film has been linked to a significant increase in lower body injuries. Check this out: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...f-lower-extremity-injuries-on-slit-film-turf/

This something that the group chat and I have been talking about for 2 or 3 seasons, it's a well-known issue in sports. Better for the bottom line as it's cheaper to maintain but not as safe for the kids, go figure. I know the Shoe has the water table issue after renovations, but this is not acceptable. Field Turf is well known in soccer for causing issues, including cancer for goalies who practice in the recycled rubber tire infill, I figured it was a known thing and was surprised after I posted "field turf." at the reaction here.

Money over everything.
 
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knuckifyoubuck said:
The new field turf installed at Ohio Stadium and the WHAC is "slit film" manufactured by Shaw Sports and Motz.

Soruce: "Once the decision was made to go with Shaw Sports Turf and The Motz Group, the team worked together to determine the best overall turf system for OSU’s needs. As a result, 85,555 square feet of Shaw’s Momentum Pro product was installed. Momentum Pro utilizes slit film technology, its interlaced structure holds down infill and reduces fly-out while maintaining a sturdy, steady, and reliable playing surface for athletes to consistently play in peak conditions." from their own website @ https://themotzgroup.com/2022/09/08...stadium-with-new-high-performance-turf-field/

The slit film has been linked to a significant increase in lower body injuries. Check this out: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...f-lower-extremity-injuries-on-slit-film-turf/

This something that the group chat and I have been talking about for 2 or 3 seasons, it's a well-known issue in sports. Better for the bottom line as it's cheaper to maintain but not as safe for the kids, go figure. I know the Shoe has the water table issue after renovations, but this is not acceptable. Field Turf is well known in soccer for causing issues, including cancer for goalies who practice in the recycled rubber tire infill, I figured it was a known thing and was surprised after I posted "field turf." at the reaction here.

Money over everything.
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Actually if you read Gerd's Twitter thread. It sounds like 2-3 more sprains strains a year but lower occurance of high impact injuries like Torn ACLs.

If I was playing I'd take that..
 
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