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Re: The Game losing its importance: This unfortunately may be true, and if that attitude seeps into the WHAC then what the fuck differentiates CFB from the NFL? I've been very vocal here about my displeasure with the direction CFB has been going the last several years. If its final form is that The Game (and other mega rivalries around the country) are "just another game", then the sport has lost me. I'm fully aware that amounts to nothing in the money-making machine, but why should I give a fuck if CFB is just the NFL with younger/worse players? Isn't it essentially just a glorified minor-league football outfit then?
I used to be so passionate about tOSU and CFB as a whole. I really don't have a whole lot of interest in the playoff to be truly honest. I'm old. I care about beating ttun and winning the B1G. That pretty much doesn't mean much anymore. My interest has been dwindling for a few years now. I honestly can't say I will even give a fuck anymore come next August and that saddens me.
I used to be so passionate about tOSU and CFB as a whole. I really don't have a whole lot of interest in the playoff to be truly honest. I'm old. I care about beating ttun and winning the B1G. That pretty much doesn't mean much anymore. My interest has been dwindling for a few years now. I honestly can't say I will even give a fuck anymore come next August and that saddens me.
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osuvictory1
Just a schlub from Y-town
It is definitely more of a professional league. Every season, teams will look completely different as a result of the transfer portal.
Teams will lose 2 or 3 each year, and make the playoffs.
As a result of all the aforementioned reasons, the teams of the year will give scant care about established rivalries.
Everything you used to love about CFB is in the past.
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shetuck
What do you need water for, Sunshine?
the game didn’t hold any less importance for me this year than in years past. i don’t think that will change in the future, regardless of the cfp. the feelings are imbedded waaay too deep for any future circumstance to change them. there’s just too much history - from ecstatic highs to extreme lows.
remember when we were nearing a decade of straight wins going the tress days to the urban days? remember people talking about how the rivalry was dead and not exciting anymore? that had nothing to do with bcs or the four-team playoffs or conference expansions.
this game means everything to this fan base. it’s THE defining element of being a buckeye football fan. nothing can or will displace that.
i get that some of the “it doesn’t mean as much anymore” reaction could be a coping thing. it’s a way to lessen the sinking feeling we get in the pit of our stomachs when we see the scoreboard again after games like saturday’s. but, it’s always there, pulling on us. it’s like gravity… it’s always there, whether you feel it (especially when you fall on your ass) or you don’t. it’s what defines us and separates us from other fans.
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All I know is that The Game has not lost a once of importance to me. If this is Day’s best effort to win a game that he’s a 20 point favorite ….
Day is not winning the CFP. No way does he (especially now) have the chops to pull it off. Pull the bandaid off now.
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Nothing, except that the talent is lesser and the salaries are lower.
And quite frankly, that's the way it should be. Here's the real problem – the NFL's "minor leagues" should never have been tied to colleges in the first place. Kids like Jeremiah Smith shouldn't have to "play school" for three years just to earn the right to play in the NFL – he should have had the option to go straight into a pro league just like high school baseball and basketball players. The CFB/NFL relationship has always been an uneasy balancing act, and now NIL, TV, and Vegas have tipped the scales greatly in favor of the pro game. Brave New World, folks....
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This.
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Freeman I would take in a heartbeat if it is feasible. Lanning I would see as a lateral type of move as opposed to Day, but I think Knight money makes that move a moot point anyways. Freeman would keep the key coaches onboard and also know how to win The Game. He is an excellent recruiter. I would go all in on him.
I will say this, in my lifetime there has not been a single coach not from Ohio that can win The Game consistently. UFM and Tress murdered it in The Game. Cooper and Day...we know what happened there. I know you can't just simply make it about being from Ohio ties, but it seems to actually matter when the time comes. If there is a very good Ohio-based HC candidate (Freeman), then do it.
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cmstophe
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Is Freeman really the “bleeds scarlet and gray” type of guy you want, though? I know he has said some weird things about OSU.
I’d actually take Lanning if we could get him but seems like Knight would pay whatever it took to keep him. And I do agree he ultimately might be a lateral move, jury is definitely still out on him even though he’s getting a lot of buzz this year.
I’d actually take Lanning if we could get him but seems like Knight would pay whatever it took to keep him. And I do agree he ultimately might be a lateral move, jury is definitely still out on him even though he’s getting a lot of buzz this year.
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Freeman burned a few bridges with his comments, but I can get behind it. The D staff wouldn't change except for LJ. He would get the rivalry. Not sure about the O staffing. If status quo, OL recruit should improve with him bringing Rudolph in or bringing back Kevin Wilson. Keep Locklyn and Hartline. I could get understand that.
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RugbyBuck
Our church has no bells.
For all the "he's got to be an Ohio guy or at least a former player" discussion (while I don't disagree that those are factors to be considered) this wouldn't auto-correct the Day/Cooper problems and (while there are certainly similarities and I think we should move on from Day), in correcting the issue(s) we shouldn't just conflate his with Cooper's.
First, we need someone with the right gut and heart to bury those knobs and the ability to convey and demand that same mentality and action from the players and staff. I don't doubt that Day, at least intellectually, understands the rivalry; maybe he didn't at first, but he's clear on it the last couple of years. He just can't actualize that. He's just not who you want with you in a fight. It boils down to that. You don't have to be from Ohio to that type of guy; see, Kirby Smart as a player and how that has translated as HC when Mark Richt couldn't get it done at UGA.
Second, we have a scheme/structure dilemma. What it takes to beat tcunt is schematically different from what it takes to win the CFP. That doesn't mean that you won't have some seasons where you do both, but it takes torque to beat the Vulverines, apparently, even when they're 6-5, and it takes horsepower to win the CFB. The argument certainly could and should be made that we would've won Saturday had we actually utilized our horsepower, but that doesn't address the fundamental issue. How do you skin that cat? That's a question that isn't answered just by getting rid of Day.
First, we need someone with the right gut and heart to bury those knobs and the ability to convey and demand that same mentality and action from the players and staff. I don't doubt that Day, at least intellectually, understands the rivalry; maybe he didn't at first, but he's clear on it the last couple of years. He just can't actualize that. He's just not who you want with you in a fight. It boils down to that. You don't have to be from Ohio to that type of guy; see, Kirby Smart as a player and how that has translated as HC when Mark Richt couldn't get it done at UGA.
Second, we have a scheme/structure dilemma. What it takes to beat tcunt is schematically different from what it takes to win the CFP. That doesn't mean that you won't have some seasons where you do both, but it takes torque to beat the Vulverines, apparently, even when they're 6-5, and it takes horsepower to win the CFB. The argument certainly could and should be made that we would've won Saturday had we actually utilized our horsepower, but that doesn't address the fundamental issue. How do you skin that cat? That's a question that isn't answered just by getting rid of Day.
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On Freeman, he made those comments to endear ND fans that thought he was an imposter. But as you said, I could forgive that because he is a Buckeye at heart and was trying to win over his fanbase as their new coach. I don't like it, but if he made the switch I will forget it as quickly as I forgot about UFM kicking our ass when he coached at Florida.
Bottom line is I want a coach that can win The Game. If Bjork doesn't get that, then he has lost my trust.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
Prior to 2021 having horsepower, and most importantly scheming it and utilizing it, was enough to bury them. What happened is the illusion that we needed to play their game, and that was brought about by three years of them knowing our plays on both sides of the ball. I said it earlier that Saturday was the result of Day being more focused on proving something than winning. That has to change. Play basketball on grass against them, and I truly believe we win by 30.
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Yes. And, frankly, I will always have difficulty forgiving Day for this. He is either arrogant beyond belief or lacks basic awareness. Either way, many will not easily trust him again. This game plan was THAT bad.
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